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Gill curl in Arowana fish and curing methods
11/18/19
Hi, I have a silver arowana fish of size about 55cm.
<How big is its aquarium? A half-grown specimen like yours should be in a tank
around 1000 litres (220 Imperial gallons) in size, and even bigger specimens
will need even more space. I mention this because Gill Curl is almost always
caused by being kept in a tank that is too small. One problem with small tanks
is that the Arowana can't turn around easily, and that seems to be one factor.
But more probably, it's to do with insufficient oxygen dissolved in small tanks,
as well as poor water quality (i.e., nitrate levels too high between water
changes). Hard to say exactly, but really, aquarium size is the key.>
Now it has got gill curl. Its gill covers has been curled and it’s gills
are exposed in the water.
<Indeed.>
Its hard cover gill plates has also been curled. Could you please
suggest me a method to cure this.
<There really isn't one. In the early stages (where just the soft part
of the very edges of the gill flaps are curled) moving the Arowana to better
conditions may cause the gills to get better by themselves. Some vets will
remove this damaged tissue, and healthy soft tissue will grow back. But the
operation is very difficult to do, as Arowanas do not handle this sort of
treatment well. However, once the gill flaps are firmly curled over,
with the bony parts of the gill covers deformed, there is no treatment. It's
done. Too late to fix it.>
I’m waiting for your response eagerly....I’m quite tensed about this condition
<I would imagine. Do read about the needs of Arowanas, especially the Silver
Arowana, which will get to at least twice the size your specimen is now. These
are very expensive fish to keep properly, and sadly, most are not kept well at
all. Cheers, Neale.>
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Arowana with gill curl 11/18/19
The bony portion has also been affected by this girl curling problem.
<So, that's that then.>
Is it curable with surgery.
<Not really. Bone doesn't grow back. Once damaged or deformed, the bone is that
way for life.>
Could you please suggest me
<Next time, use a bigger tank.>
Anything about this.
<Nope.>
Waiting for your reply....I consumes regular food daily.
<Good stuff. Arowanas with Gill Curl aren't seriously harmed, but they will find
it more difficult to pump water through their gills. So ensuring the oxygenation
of the water is top notch becomes even more critical. This is because the gill
covers normally form a pressurised seal that allows the fish to inhale each
fresh gulp of water. With the gill covers damaged, that pressurised seal is
lost, and the ability to suck in fresh water becomes compromised.>
I feed him live foods and chicken liver.
<Not sure about chicken liver to be honest, because of the risk of Salmonella
and other bacterial infections. Beef heart or lamb heart would be much safer.
These fish are primarily insect and small fish eaters. So the best foods are
small insects of various kinds, and as they get bigger, safe (i.e., not live)
fish, ideally saltwater fish. Tilapia fillet is safe too. As always, never use
live feeder fish, and minimise the use of foods with thiaminase (cyprinids,
shrimps, mussels).>
He is kept in a 5 feet length aquarium.
<Ah, much too small! Problem solved.>
One 30 Watts internal filter and air filter with sponge are provided.
<Likely under-filtered, too. You need something like 8-10 times the volume of
the tank in turnover per hour. So if you have 1000 litres, the filter needs a
turnover rate of 4000 litres per hour. Most likely this will be a number of
filters added together, but you get the idea, hopefully!>
Before buying this aquarium, it was in 2.8 feet aquarium. I think this limited
space may be the problem for this current condition...
<Yes.>
please suggest me anything..please..
<This is one of those situations where the ONLY cure is prevention. Once it's
happened, it's happened. You can't fix this. Sure, people will try and sell you
products or tricks, but they either don't work or are too unsafe. Anything
involving surgical intervention is unlikely to work, and will be very stressful
to your fish. Cheers, Neale.>
Arowana with gill curl 11/18/19
If this condition is not curable,
<Indeed not.>
how long will it live and survive.
<As long as a healthy Arowana, but do see previous message.>
It takes regular food every day. One 30 watts internal filter and air filter
with sponge are provided in the tank.. Can it survive for a long duration...
<Yes, with care. Cheers, Neale.>
Arowana with gill curl 11/18/19
So will my Arrowana live as long as a healthy one..?
<All else being good, yes. It will need a good environment (including swimming
space) and plenty of oxygen, but apart from that, it isn't at risk of premature
death.>
Will it grow up bigger than this..
<Silver Arowanas, Osteoglossum bicirrhosum, get to about 90 cm in length.
Occasional specimens may well be even bigger. But they do need an aquarium (or
pond) suitable for very large fish. 1000s of litres, really.>
Now it is in 5 feet aquarium and it is taking regular food daily..... Can I hope
for the best..
<Yes.>
Is this condition a serious problem to its health...
<Yes and no. Read my previous replies: Gill Curl affects their ability to pump
water across the gills, so additional aeration of the water may be needed. But
beyond that, Gill Curl doesn't cause any major health issues.
Cheers, Neale.>
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Baby Arowana, and Clown Knife 10/1/18
Hello, my husband keeps a 226 gallon tank. Im not sure of many
specifics, has two canister filters. We do frequent water changes. We
have two Arowanas about 3 in long, only had them for a week.
<Yikes; hard to feed small Arowanas in such a large system. I'd keep
them in something smaller till they've grown a bit; a few inches>
I noticed one of them floating on the bottom this morning.
<Mmm; not good>
My husband tried some crickets and he ate a large one last night, I kind
of thought maybe he ate too much.
<Yes; I would only feed small/er foods; unfortunately likely needing to
be live. Like Brine Shrimp, Daphnia, Mysids....>
When I got home from work he was on his side. He's breathing but almost
looks like he's gasping. But, he moved from one end to another end
against a pretty strong current so I am assuming he swam. We weren’t
sure if there was anything we could do to save him before it’s too late.
We have also been feeding them guppies, krill, and blood worms I think.
<Okay>
Not sure if it is related but we also have 2 clown knives. The one seems
to be losing it’s color. It still has his dots, but is very pale looking
and was once the typical sliver brown. He seems to be acting and eating
fine. I don’t know if the two problems are related or not. Thank you for
your feedback.
<Is there any ammonia of nitrite present? Measurable? Bob Fenner>
Arowana Eye Problem URGENT ! 1/26/16
Hi WetWebMedia Crew.
<Kelvin>
I'm writing in desperate need of your guidance of how to treat my Arowana eye.
I'm not sure is a injury or a disease,
<Almost assuredly the former. Seen many times... the fish jumping... damaging
itself... spooked by? Another fish? Something outside the tank....?>
it start of as a very small white hole and then it get worst and worst. Please
look at the video and you will see how's his eye look like.
https://youtu.be/-XcaZ2XZ45s
<Good water quality is paramount... useful antibiotic gotten INTO the fish
(Chloramphenicol if you can get it) via food. Otherwise, time going by. Review
here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fwsubwebindex/ArowanaDisF.htm >--
*Kelvin Lo*
<Bob Fenner>
Arowana Eye Problem URGENT ! /Neale 1/27/16
Hi WetWebMedia Crew.
I'm writing in desperate need of your guidance of how to treat my Arowana eye.
I'm not sure is a injury or a disease, it start of as a very small white hole
and then it get worst and worst. Please look at the video and you will see how's
his eye look like.
https://youtu.be/-XcaZ2XZ45s
Kelvin
<As a general rule, if one eye becomes infected (as here) physical
trauma is likely; if both eyes, then environmental stress. So in this
case, as it's just the one eye, I'd be thinking about how the eye became
damaged.
Commonest cause is jumping into/onto solid objects -- typically the roof of the
aquarium. Arowanas are "jumpy" by nature, leaping out of the water for all sorts
of reasons but including escaping from enemies and for catching insects above
the waterline. Regardless, this isn't something (easily) accommodated in home
aquaria, hence the tendency to see Arowanas injure themselves. Rocks inside the
tank can also be swum into, causing similar injuries. Rough handling (e.g.,
using nets to move the fish) can cause injuries to eyes. Finally, tankmates are
always a gamble. Arowanas are an unhelpful mix of territorial and easily
bullied: while happy enough to dish out punishment when they can, they are
easily damaged by more aggressive or heavily armed tankmates. Even some
opportunistic but persistent "nibblers" can cause problems, including
herbivorous/omnivorous fish that adopt a suck-it-and-see approach to determining
what's edible. In short, ideally isolating the fish, certainly ensuring optimal
water quality, and if you can, using antibiotics or antibacterials suitable for
sensitive fish would be the way forward. Epsom salt (magnesium sulphate) can
help to reduce swelling and is worth using, but I'm not totally convinced by the
use of table salt (sodium chloride) as a supportive for fish in this sort of
situation, though it won't do any harm at low doses, and may have some minor
antibacterial effect. For doses, see here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fwsubwebindex/SaltUseFWArtNeale.htm
Wouldn't use salt above 2 gram/litre. Epsom salt use at the dosage described.
Don't use anything with formalin or copper in them unless told to do so by a vet
(both are highly toxic, and especially so to primitive fish). Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Arowana Eye Problem URGENT !
1/30/16
Hi, WetWebMedia Crew,
Thanks for your quick reply and support. I have isolated the fish to medicate
and i have used tetracycline to treat the eye. After a few day of treating it,
the white stuff on the eye started to come off as a film like substance. Does
that mean the antibiotic is working and the eyes getting better?
Kelvin
<Could well mean that. At some point the dead tissue will peel away and
hopefully new cells will grow to replace it. It's touch and go though. Do keep a
very close eye on water quality. Cheers, Neale.>
Arowana disease 12/17/12
im having silver Arowana, it is having
only one small black spot on its
body , what is it , whether it is disease or
general body
scraping . how to over come this , whether it is
disease means give some medicine name
<Please send some information about the size of the aquarium, how long
the tank has been set up, filter used, any other fish in the aquarium.
Read my
previous e-mail about maintenance of Arowanas, but note that Silver
Arowana (Osteoglossum bicirrhosum) grow even larger than Asian Arowana
(Scleropages
spp.) and consequently require even more space. They are prone to
physical damage because they like to jump. If the scales are knocked
off, then black patches can develop. Is the Arowana still actively
swimming and feeding?
What are you feeding it? Cheers, Neale.>
about silver Arowana, sys., using WWM
12/17/12
thanks for ur mail,
my Arowana is 1.5 feet long tank size is
80 gallons , 350 l water content filtration is canister 2200
l/hr and internal filter is 1500l/hr no gravel in
the bottom , tank bottom is empty only my
doubt is only one small black spot is
seen near the body , give me your suggestion about this
<Please learn to/search WWM and use the indices... I'd have gravel in
Arowana tanks... too much reflection otherwise; and added nitrification.
Bob Fenner>
silver Arowana - wound
12/20/12
my Arowana jumped while i am cleaning inside the tank,
by got hit over the tank its scales removed like a
round shape, what to do , any
medicine for the scales to be cured. give some medicine name for
the scales to be healed
<Hello again, Harsara Ap! We have answered several questions from you --
but you have not given us ANY information about your aquarium, water
quality, etc. Without this information we cannot help you. Cheers,
Neale.>
silver Arowana - wound
my Arowana jumped while i am cleaning inside the tank,
by got hit over the tank its scales removed like a
round shape, what to do , any medicine for the scales to be cured.
give some medicine name for the scales to be
healed
<This specimen needs to be in a larger system... a 1.5 foot Arowana
won't live long, well in a 80 gal. volume. See WWM re this group... Stop
writing and start reading. BobF>
wound
for what reason ur asking water quality.
for injury i am asking , why u need for water quality the
injury is happened today, i am not talking about the past
What? Please send previous correspondence. Have no idea what you're
referring to; whom you were chatting w/ here. BobF
wound 12/20/12
for what reason ur asking water quality.
<Because injuries will not heal if water quality is bad. I assume you
have a NITRITE test kit. Use it -- and be honest about the answer. Also,
if the size of the aquarium is too small, the Arowana will simply injure
again. It will not heal. This is why we need to know about your
aquarium. How big is it? What is the filter that you use?>
for injury i am asking , why u need for water quality.
<Because if the aquarium is wrong, the Arowana will die quickly. We need
to establish that he is in the right aquarium.>
the injury is happened today, i am not talking about the past
<We also need to know how big is this Arowana; how long you have had it;
and what country you live in (not all medicines are available in all
countries). Cheers, Neale.>
Arowana wound 12/22/12
thanks for ur reply,
<Welcome.>
i am from India , i am not having
much space in my home , i have kept only 4feet aquarium
with 400 litres of water ( 80 gallons).
<Much too small for Arowanas, whether Osteoglossum or Scleropages
species.
A young specimen (up to about 20 cm/8 inches) could work, but you would
have to work extremely hard keeping the water clean. Zero ammonia and
nitrite essential!>
filtration is canister 2200l/hr and internal filter 1500l/hr.
while i am cleaning, Arowana got wound , its scales
fallen from the body like a round shape. give some remedy
or it will normally the wound be cleared
<In good conditions, missing scales will grow back. I would also treat
with antibiotic of some sort; Erythromycin and Minocycline used together
would be ideal. But long term, this fish needs a bigger home. In a small
tank Arowanas are prone to jumping (hurting themselves) and also
problems such as "Gill Curl". Cheers, Neale.>
About water quality 12/22/12
You have stated ammonia and nitrates should be zero in the tank.
<Hi, in the future we request that you use proper spelling and grammar
in your queries, this makes it easier for other readers to use and
allows search engines to more accurately find relevant information.
As to your question, ammonia and NitrITE should be zero, nitrate should
be low, less than 20 ppm.
How to keep it stable , shall we add Zeolite to the
canister filter.
<This is controlled mostly through bacterial processes and proper
maintenance and feeding.>
How to keep nitrates to zero
<Nitrate is best controlled through regular water changes.>
awaiting for ur reply
<Chris>
Re: Another Arowana-in-80-gallons question
12/24/12
thanks for ur reply, my question is when powerhead in the
bottom of the tank, due to heavy pressure it is not giving
air bubbles, can we connect additional separate
air pump to the venturi valve nozzle in the
powerhead?
<Powerheads won't work more than a few cm below the waterline. In deep
tanks, install an airstone driven by a very powerful air pump. But you
should not be relying on air pumps for making water "better".
Circulation is better provided with powerheads, and if your water
doesn't have enough oxygen in it for your fish, then get a bigger
aquarium! You cannot keep Silver Arowanas in less the 200 gallons.>
i want air bubbles because it looks beauty ,
connection between powerhead and separate air pump means there
will be wrong gas exchange will happen. awaiting
for ur reply
<Hmm… do spend more time reading, and less time writing! Can I recommend
the following:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fwsubwebindex/osteoglossiforms.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fwsubwebindex/arowanafaqs.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fwsubwebindex/ArowanaSysF.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fwsubwebindex/ArowanaDisF.htm
Most problems with Arowanas are caused by their environment; get that
right, and these fish are hardy and interesting. But they need HUGE
aquaria with MASSIVE filters to do well. Cheers, Neale.>
air pump connection with powerhead, Arowana sys.
12/25/12
why we should not connect air pump to the
venturi valve nozzle of the powerhead,
<You can.>
i don't want to give separate airstone diffuser by air
pump i want to give air circulation by means of powerhead with air
pump. give your suggestion
<Adding more air won't make an 80-gallon aquarium any better for an
Arowana. Please do understand this. Merry Christmas, Neale.>
emergency help needed for red tail golden Arowana
(RMF, anything to add?)<<>>
12/29/10
to whom it may concern:
<Hello,>
about a month ago, our qian hu red tail golden Arowana developed pop
eye, with first just 1 eye, and then 2. within a week, it got from bad
to worse, even with frequent 20-30% water change, increased temperature
to 32 degrees Celsius, adding rock salt,
<Why? Salt does nothing useful in this situation.>
Arowana vitamins and half a pack of OCEAN FREE YELLOW POWDER,
<<Can't find what this actually is... listed as an
antibacterial of wide use...>>
as instructed by our local fish store. the worst stage was when he
already kept bumping into the glass quite hard because while he could
swim good he could not see, and therefore could not eat.
<Indeed.>
it is placed in a 75 gallon aquarium with an over head filter.
<Much too small for Scleropages spp. Anything less than 150 gallons
is, in my opinion, worthless when it comes to Arowanas, and frankly,
even a 200 gallon tank is "small". These are RIVER fish as
well as being HUGE, so it's critical they have plenty of space,
both psychologically and physiologically. Without sufficient space
they're prone to swimming into/jumping into the walls of the tank.
This causes both stress and physical damage, and that in turn leads to
Pop-eye. As for their physiology, large water volumes dilute the
MASSIVE amounts of nitrogenous wastes these fish produce.>
it is 4 inches long when we bought it 2 months ago. we have been
feeding it protein worms and small feeder fishes.
<Why are you using feeder fishes? That's part of the problem,
I'm sure. Let's be crystal clear about this. There are NO
reasons in favour of the use of feeder fishes, and in fact lots of VERY
GOOD REASONS not to use them. Besides malnutrition, you're also
introducing parasites and bacterial infections of all sorts, and the
use of live feeder fishes also tends to make predatory fish more active
and more aggressive, two things you DO NOT WANT in aquaria.>
the popping and bulging of the eye did get better by the second week
but the pupil/iris/inner part of the eye ended up being covered by a
thin white translucent sort of film. it is similar to eye cataracts in
humans, but is not, since this is well inside the cornea of the fish
eye. upon consulting from the local distributor, the yellow powder may
have been too much and irritated the eye in the process. we were
instructed to do 25% water change every other day until the dark yellow
water becomes much much lighter already. it was about a week before it
ate a worm. during this time the color of the Arowana became visibly
more vibrant in the body and in the fins as well.
<A clue here, I'm sure. Water changes = improvements in water
quality. It would seem obvious to me that a combination of poor
environmental conditions and physical damage, i.e., swimming into the
glass, has caused Pop-eye.>
we proceeded to put MELAFIX by the middle of the 2nd week since only 1
eye got better while the other remained swollen and cloudy. within a
couple of days the improvement was dramatic in both eyes.
<Okay. Melafix itself is fairly mild, and I wouldn't expect much
from its use. But it can help in some situations. I'd always trust
a proper antibiotic instead.>
but other symptoms came up, we noticed some small red worms in the
water, and then some white ones after the red ones were gone. although
we put in Epsom salt to draw water out from the eyes as was suggested
in an internet article, we assumed we were lucky in expelling internal
parasites/ worms in the process.
<Worms likely came from the feeder fish. They sound like Camallanus
but its hard to say. Unlikely to be related to the Pop-eye, but a clear
sign of poor care. Please do focus on what Arowanas need in captivity.
It's a shame they're so popular as "lucky" fish --
obviously they'd be luckier if they were left in the wild! -- and
this lucky aspect means some people buy them for their home aquaria
without any idea about what they need. I'm an expert fishkeeper,
and even I wouldn't bother keeping an Arowana in anything smaller
than 200 gallons.>
by the 3rd week it was already eating well, but the one eye was still
cloudy in the middle and now there were worms. out of desperation we
put in RID ALL, and OCEAN FREE INTERNAL BACTERIA AND ULCER AWAY. in
hind sight this may have been a wrong concoction. we were told that the
OCEAN FREE YELLOW POWDER was mainly a water conditioner and antibiotic,
and did not attack internal parasites, which according to some internet
articles, were possible causes for pop eye. the RID ALL was put because
the fish shop told us the cloudy eye was caused by fungal
infections.
<Instead of listening to the shop guy, who is trying to sell you
something, read something about Pop-eye and Arowanas first. Random
medications rarely help and usually make things worse. It's crucial
to understand that Pop-eye doesn't happen for no reason, usually
physical damage and poor environmental conditions. Antibiotics and
Epsom salt will reverse Pop-eye, but only if the environment is
fixed.>
after doing this the Arowana started listing to its right side, its
good eye side. since this was pretty immediate I presume the RID ALL
and INTERNAL BACTERIA AND ULCER AWAY concoction may have been an
overdose and shocked the fish. the white film over the eye worsened
also.
<'¦>
we performed daily 15% water change. and the Arowana fed normally
except by this time we had proven that it had difficulty in depth
perception as it was trying to eat the worm sometimes inches off. since
the fish was listing towards the good eye, which was dropping a bit
already, we presumed this was not a swim bladder problem but an eye
problem, specially because it sort of leaned towards the good eye to
look at you through the window, and it could go up and down, and swam
with direction, only it did at an angle. like other experiences
I've read, when the light was off, it seemed to swim more upright,
and when the light was turned on the listing was more pronounced
sometimes at a 45 degree angle.
<'¦>
we decided to make an over all cleaning of the overhead filter,
thermometer, motor 1 day. and when we looked, 2 scales had fallen off
and a bit off blood was visible at the gills. we do not know if it had
tried to jump out. it also appeared jumpy at this point.
<Indeed. It's world is too small, too poor.>
by the 4th week we had wrapped the front side of the aquarium with dark
covering and placed a floating ball to try to keep him looking up, and
hopefully correct his swimming. this was also from the internet.
<'¦>
through all of this we also noticed that there is a very slight S
shaped bending of the spine.
<Not good, and again, a sign of poor environment as well as poor
diet.>
we are about 5 weeks from the first pop eye. the medicines are probably
gone because we have returned the carbon filter in the over head. we
have also lowered the temperature to 31 degrees Celsius and a bit less
rock salt every 3 day water change of 10-15%.
<Stop with the salt. Epsom salt is fine; sodium chloride irrelevant,
perhaps stressful. Instead of adding stuff to the tank, focus on the
reality -- this fish needs a MUCH BIGGER WORLD.>
it is at this point that the Arowana began swimming in circles just 3
days ago, which I initially thought to be a behavior brought about by
seeing in only the right eye, and in wanting to see 360 degrees around,
it swam in circles. upon reading just now, I believe it is either of 2
things, loopy as was described by Sabrina in this website, or whirling
disease by Myxosoma parasite.
<Not good.>
as a last ditch effort, I would like to use clamoxyquine or the likes
prescribed in Wikipedia, if incase it is whirling disease.
<Is not.>
the circular swimming has been getting more and more frantic. and the
direction to its swimming is in my opinion deteriorating a bit.
although I am still hoping that it is just loopy in that it was shocked
by the amount of water change and medicine that was applied during the
past month. it may have helped that we did not ad anti chorine because
pet shop said it cannot be mixed with antibiotic, which was already in
the water.
<'¦>
I would like to ask now what would be the best course of action: to add
more medicine, or to try let it recover by itself.
<A bigger aquarium, better environment, the right diet -- plus
antibiotics and Epsom salt as described elsewhere on WWM.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/epsomfaqs.htm
May take months to recover, hence the CRUCIAL need for OPTIMAL living
conditions. Antibiotics reduce the bacteria behind the eyeball, and
Epsom salt relieves swelling, but neither will fix the problem if the
fish's world is not essentially sound.>
thank you very much. I do not like to give up on this fish. it is clear
that water quality was the problem at the beginning and although we
have addressed that, a lot of symptoms have appeared: scales fall off,
blood in gills, curved spine, cloudy eye, loss of appetite, listing,
and now looping or whirling. a lot of times it seemed to me to be his
last day, but he kept getting better, then worse, then better.
he wants to survive but I can't help him.
<The key thing to know about Arowanas is that they're easy to
kill, just like Stingrays. You NEVER want to be in a situation where
you have a sick Arowana to deal with. They're delicate and
sensitive to some medications, particularly copper- and formalin-based
ones. So you MUST start as you mean to go on. A 150, 200 gallon
aquarium; massive filtration, i.e., turnover rates 10 or more times the
volume of the tank per hour; massive water changes, at least 50%
weekly; very steady water chemistry, though the values themselves
aren't critical; elimination of anything in or outside the tank
likely to cause them to jump -- not loud music, no sudden lights, no
aggressive tankmates; and a carefully chosen diet based around safe
live, fresh and dried foods -- crickets, earthworms, tilapia fillet,
prawns, pellets, etc. Every time you depart from this list of
essentials, e.g., by using a smaller tank or feeding goldfish, you
simply increase the chances your Arowana will get sick and die. Hope
this helps. Cheers, Neale.><<Agreed. RMF>>
Re: emergency help needed for red tail golden Arowana (RMF,
anything to add?) 12/29/10
dear Neale,
thanks for the quick response.
<Glad to help.>
changing the aquarium is not an option right now physically in our
home. I did expect the 75 gallon aquarium to be outgrown in a
year's time and have not yet taken steps towards that, although I
think it can suffice for a 4-5 inch Arowana for the time being.
<I understand your logic here. But the reality is that Arowanas
don't always see things the same way as we do! It's always
cheaper for you and better for the fish to buy the big aquarium FIRST
and forget about upgrading tanks months or years down the line. Why?
Because we tend to delay spending money on the second tank, and between
the time we buy the second tank and the time when the first tank
becomes inadequate, there's a gap where the Arowana (or any other
large fish) gets stressed by its environment.>
if it does get thru this ordeal alive, even with 1 blind eye, then I
will address the aquarium size problem. transferring a severely sick
Arowana to a 20 gallon aquarium isn't practical or possible right
now.
<Do you mean 200 gallons? Yes, moving it to a bigger, better world
would help things. Whether that's do-able for you given your budget
and the size of your home, I cannot say. But these are precisely the
reasons I don't keep Arowanas or Stingrays. Yes, I have the skills
to keep both, but no, I don't have the space or money.>
how did you come to the conclusion that it is not whirling disease?
<Extremely rare in aquaria. The parasite is transmitted through live
foods, and because of the life cycle of the parasite, it's very
unlikely to get into the home aquarium. It's more of a problem on
fish farms.>
if it is not, will it ever stop swimming around in circles? I'd
like to focus on what I should do immediately. this remains to be the
biggest and problem right now.
<The "swimming in circles" is a combination of stress,
poisoning, and/or nerve damage. Very commonly observed in dying
fish.>
the eyesight I would think has a fighting chance to get better a few
months down the road. however, the listing to the right at a 45 degree
angle, and the nonstop looping/whirling/swimming in tight circles, is
just getting worse by the day.
<Yes.>
by the way, I just noticed now that the left eye which is the unhealed
eye, seems to have gone inwards the head a bit. I am really having
difficulty pinpointing what it is this fish has.
<Environmental stress.>
and I want to be certain I am putting the correct medication this time
around. I am afraid there will not be another chance.
<Indeed.>
do you think OCEAN FREE INTERNAL BACTERIA AND ULCER AWAY,
<No idea, because I don't know its ingredients. Only proper
antibiotics help with Pop-eye, not "anti internal bacteria"
potions using formalin, etc. Indeed, only antibiotics are *safe* with
Arowanas.>
along with Epsom salt will do the trick? is 34 degrees too much?
<Yes, too warm. Loss of oxygen at high water temperature is a
factor.>
should I add AQUA GUARD anti chlorine as well?
<You should be dechlorinating all new water added to the tank
anyway.>
is protein worm diet ok? the fish will not eat anything that
doesn't move since day 1.
<Yes, it will eat pellets, crickets, etc. It's up to you to wean
him onto those foods. Earthworms are fine, but they're expensive in
the long term, and not balanced. You need a variety. Arowana Pellets
are an excellent staple, and crickets can be easily dusted with
vitamins and calcium.>
thanks again.
<You're welcome. Cheers, Neale.>
Sick Arowanas in large tank
9/1/10
Hi guys,
<Shalom!>
First, thanks in advance for any help that you will be able to provide.
We are at a loss!
<Glad to assist you>
I work at a public aquarium. We had 6 medium to large silver Arowanas,
9 adult (and breeding) jaguar cichlids, 5 motoro freshwater stingrays
and 3 large Plecos
<Thank you for providing this/tankmate information. VERY useful in
determining what might be wrong>
in a 4,500 gallon tank (4x2x2.5 meters). All was well for several
months, but recently the Arowanas started dying on us. The symptoms are
all similar - loss of appetite (we tried changing foods -
<I take it from the syntax that the losses occurred before the
actual change in diet>
from commercially obtained frozen North Sea fish, which are used to
feed many species of fish and birds, to floating pellets, cooked
shrimp, cooked mussels and even some red meat), and then vertical
"tail standing" and eventual death. One of the 2 Aro's
that died was also breathing heavier before it started standing on its
tail. The first was isolated after it started "tail standing"
in a quarantine tank with added aeration and treated with Baytril
(common general antibiotic) IM
<Intra-Muscular for browsers>
injections and daily water changes. It survived 5 days and died, never
gaining its balance back before dying. The second one showed the
symptoms about 6 weeks after the first one died. It was isolated with
added aeration and treated with Baytril, Metronidazole, Artemiss (by
MicrobeLift) and daily water changes. It survived two days and died.
The third one just started "tail standing" and is still in
the main tank. The thing with the third one is that it is (used to be?)
one of the two dominant individuals in the tank that looked like they
formed a pair, so this might rule out (?) stress due to constant
aggression by tank mates.
<A sub-factor...>
No inter-specific aggression was observed. The second Aro that died was
sent to post-mortem, but no definitive results came back (bacteriology
and gross pathology), but it was not in an optimal condition for tests
because of the time between its death and the procedure.
water parameters are as follows:
Ammonia - 0
Nitrite - 0-0.1 (on feeding days)
Nitrate - ~40
<A little high, but tolerable>
water are extremely hard (out of scale of most commercial kits)
PH - 8.6
<Way too high for the Osteoglossids, Rays>
The water conditions are currently less than ideal because of
electrical problems that cause less than ideal circulation in the tank
and sump, but the stingrays, which are supposedly sensitive, are doing
just fine!
<Yes>
Any advice, suggestion, idea will be appreciated
<My best (initial) guess is something amiss with water quality...
But what? From the behavior, lack of reaction by other fishes present,
perhaps simple low dissolved oxygen... I would test this (it may have
changed w/ the loss of the Arowanas...) and assure that it is a good
5-6 plus ppm... Does your facility use ozone? I would add it here for
sure. What is the respective ORP in this system? Bob Fenner>
Re: Sick Arowanas in large tank 9/4/10
Shalom Bob,
<And you Noam>
Thanks for your swift reply and apologies for my belated one, but I
wanted to get some measurements following your suggestions.
First - some measurements of water hardness: GH = 21 dH; KH = 14 dH
<Fine>
Unfortunately, cannot measure ORP for now. We do not use ozone in this
system, but we have two 55W UV bulbs instead.
<Ahh, these will/do add to ORP, DO to an extant>
Oxygen level was about 6 ppm (at the end of the day)
<This is fine, near saturation. Perhaps this reading was different
though when the animals were lost>
and the water temperature is 29 Deg. Celsius (warm summer in Israel) -
the Oxygen level indeed seems a little low, but no other species has
been showing signs of breathing difficulties (e.g. rapid breathing,
surfacing for air). Are Arowanas more sensitive to low Oxygen?
<Not generally... in fact they and many other S. American
"Amazon" fishes are facultative aerial respirators... i.e.
can/do "gulp" air at the surface at times for ancillary
respiration... Of the fishes/tankmates you listed though, they are the
most sensitive. Am back to considering some other source of outright
toxicity... The next likely source of mortality... the food/s>
Noam
<Bob Fenner>
Re: Sick Arowanas in large tank 9/6/2010
Shalom again Bob,
<And you my friend>
Some news regarding the Aro's - the latest sick Arowana died
yesterday and was immediately sent for PM. A definite result for
Mycobacterium came back.
<Mmm, this genus of bacteria is almost omnipresent... often leading
to questions of cause or effect...>
My questions now would be:
1. I understand that the bacteria is common in aquariums and fish can
be hosts of the disease for a long time with mild or no symptoms. So
can water conditions or some other stressor can be the cause for the
outbreak of the disease recently and the death of the fish?
<Yes. I do believe this is so>
2. Can we prevent further deaths to our remaining Aro's by fixing
possible stressing parameters or are all our Aro's doomed?
<Can be thwarted with improved water quality... even some attest by
prophylactic antimicrobial additions to food/s>
3. How about the rest of the species in the same tank? Are Aro's
specially sensitive to TB and the rest of the species are safe for now
or should we perform some radical treatment to avoid their death as
well?
<I do think there is more susceptibility in some fish
groups/families than others... All fishes can/will succumb if
conditions are so "bad"...>
One more thing - I failed to mention previously that to avoid stress to
the fish due to sudden turn-off of the lights, we leave subdued
lighting (similar to moonlight) in the aquarium. Can the constant
lighting (10.5 hours full light/13.5 hours subdued light) be a
stressing factor for some/all the fish?
<Can be... how "subdued" is subdued? Some low light
intensity is a very good idea 24/7>
Many Thanks again for your help!
Noam
<Please do read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_6/volume_6_2/mycobactera.htm
and the linked files at the bottom. Bob Fenner>
Very Sick Arowana! HELP! Hello WWM crew.
First off, your time is greatly appreciated! I have searched all
over your website and all over the web and can't seem to find
what I am looking for. Hopefully one of you will have an answer.
One of my silver Arowanas is very sick. First here are some of
the details of the tank, setup, and water parameters. I have a
website for my tank on myarowanatank.googlepages.com so you can
check out the basics of my tank. 4 months ago I received 7 baby
Arowanas. 4 jardinei and 3 silvers. They are currently
range from 5 inches for the smallest jardinei to 11inches for the
biggest silver. They are in a 150 gallon tank <... not
altogether...> with a sump operating volume of 42 gallons. I
know it is small but that is for a reason. I am keeping them in
that small of a tank so they do not get territorial. <This
won't happen...> I have had zero fights because of it. I
have 430 gallon tank ready for them when they get a little
bigger. <I would move them now... at least all the
silvers...> I will eventually have an even larger tank for
them when they need it. So despite the size it is setup to handle
the bio load for all of them right now. I am OCD about my tank
water. I do 10% water changes by gravel vacuuming daily which is
automatically replaced by the RO/DI and auto fill system. I
maintain KH with baking soda. There is also a 36W UV before the
input into the tank. Ok so the water during the day is at. pH =
6.8 - 7.0 Ammonia = 0 always Nitrite = 0 always Nitrate = always
less than 5, usually zero GH = 60 always KH = maintained between
20 - 40 PO4 = 0 -.5 <All look good> Now one of my silvers
is very sick. 3 weeks ago I noticed white scratches on is head
and white around his lips. It looked like damage from hitting
stuff which they occasionally do and not like cotton mouth.? I
added a little salt and the head mark went away in about 4-5
days. However after a few more days the lips were still not
healed and I noticed his appetite dropping off. (All 7 eat 1000
crickets a week right now!) <Need more nutrition than this>
I hand feed them and pet them so I knew something was wrong. He
would only take food if I held it in front of his mouth for
awhile and was very slow and not aggressive when he would finally
eat it. But appetite dropped from 20 to maybe 4 crickets a day.
He is know pretty skinny and still has white lips and has lost
all of his appetite yesterday. Last night I caught him vertical
tail on bottom head straight up. I took him out of main tank and
put him in the plant refugium. Added aeration, salt, stress coat,
and some extra minerals to the water. After an hour he was back
horizontal and is also ok this morning. But still weak and no
appetite + plus is breathing a little slow still. Now I have
carefully inspected him from head to tail. There are no white
lice or spots anywhere on his body. His head itself is healed and
looks good. But his lips are still white both lower and upper.
However the lips are not hairy or fuzzy. It doesn't look like
cotton mouth or ich but I am no expert. Any ideas? I usually feed
crickets but occasionally give them feeders. I believe it came
from a batch of Rosie minnows several weeks ago. Although they
were quarantined for a week with no deaths or apparent problems
first. So any recommended medications or treatments? Also none of
the other fish have shown any problems after 3 weeks now. I want
this fish to live at all costs! I can take pictures if needed.
PLEASE HELP! Sincerely, Robert Bledsoe <Again... better, wider
nutrition and move the Osteoglossum bicirrhosum to the larger
system... they will fight there in time as well... the real
issues here are diet and stress. Bob Fenner>
Very Sick Arowana PLEASE HELP! Neale's much more
thorough go 11/11/07 Hello WWM crew. First
off, your time is greatly appreciated! <You're
welcome.> I have searched all over your website and all over
the web and can't seem to find what I am looking for.
<Ok.> Hopefully one of you will have an answer. One of my
silver Arowanas is very sick. First here are some of the details
of the tank, setup, and water parameters. I have a website for my
tank on myarowanatank.googlepages.com so you can check out the
basics of my tank. <I'd sooner you summarised this here.
Kind of a pain to have to open up another browser window and
trawl through a whole bunch of stuff to find what I wanted. All I
really care about is water chemistry, tank volume, filtration and
diet. But nice tank though.> 4 months ago I received 7 baby
Arowanas. 4 jardinei and 3 silvers. <You do realise the
Jardinei's will pulverize the poor South American
Arowanas?> They are currently range from 5 inches for the
smallest jardinei to 11 inches for the biggest silver. <Quite
a selection. There are, as I hope you know, territorial,
non-schooling fish. Unless the tank is the size of a pond,
it's one to a tank.> They are in a 150 gallon tank with a
sump operating volume of 42 gallons. <Way too small for this
number of Arowana. Two compatible South Americans might coexist,
but even a single Jardinei is going to own that space, and treat
anything else in there as either [a] dinner or [b] target
practise.> I know it is small but that is for a reason.
<Indeed...?> I am keeping them in that small of a tank so
they do not get territorial. <You're joking, right? These
aren't Mbuna or mudskippers, where this sort of idea makes
sense. Each of these fish gets to around a metre in length, and
most of that is solid muscle. The sheer bio-load on the filter
alone is reason enough NOT to keep them all in a tank this size.
If you want to stock multiple South American Arowana, it's
something around 150-200 gallons per fish. With Jardinei, it just
isn't viable because of their incredible aggression.> I
have had zero fights because of it. <No, you've had no
fights because they're babies. Give 'em a few more
months. Once the Jardinei are half-grown, the males will be
causing a LOT of problems.> I have 430 gallon tank ready for
them when they get a little bigger. <Ah, that tank will house
two, maybe three South Americans. Or one Jardinei. Your
choice.> I will eventually have an even larger tank for them
when they need it. <I hope so. The seven South American
Arowanas are going to want something like 1000-1500 gallons. And
one Jardinei will take over that tank all by itself given the
chance.> So despite the size it is setup to handle the bio
load for all of them right now. <Well, they're not
"all right" at all. You have one dying Arowana. This is
what happens when you have too many mutually aggressive fish.
I've seen it with Archerfish, halfbeaks, angelfish, Mbuna,
and so on ad nauseum. One fish gets sick, and dies thanks to
stress and an inability to get enough food. A few weeks or months
later, another fish dies. And then another. And then another.
Until there is one left, the dominant male.> I am OCD about my
tank water. <Good.> I do 10% water changes by gravel
vacuuming daily which is automatically replaced by the RO/DI and
auto fill system. I maintain KH with baking soda. There is also a
36W UV before the input into the tank. Ok so the water during the
day is at. pH = 6.8 - 7.0 Ammonia = 0 always Nitrite = 0 always
Nitrate = always less than 5, usually zero GH = 60 always KH =
maintained between 20 - 40 PO4 = 0 -.5 <All seems fine.>
Now one of my silvers is very sick. 3 weeks ago I noticed white
scratches on is head and white around his lips. <Skin damage.
From fighting or jumping. Quelle surprise.> It looked like
damage from hitting stuff which they occasionally do and not like
cotton mouth.? <Treat as per Finrot.> I added a little salt
and the head mark went away in about 4-5 days. However after a
few more days the lips were still not healed and I noticed his
appetite dropping off. (All 7 eat 1000 crickets a week right
now!) I hand feed them and pet them so I knew something was
wrong. He would only take food if I held it in front of his mouth
for awhile and was very slow and not aggressive when he would
finally eat it. <Likely stress. This is what happens when fish
are stressed. They go into a "retiring" modus to avoid
contact with aggressive fish, I suppose. In any case, the best
(only) cure is to remove the fish to another tank and allow it to
rest and feed peacefully.> But appetite dropped from 20 to
maybe 4 crickets a day. He is know pretty skinny and still has
white lips and has lost all of his appetite yesterday. Last night
I caught him vertical tail on bottom head straight up. <Nichts
gut.> I took him out of main tank and put him in the plant
refugium. Added aeration, salt, stress coat, and some extra
minerals to the water. <Wasn't aware that salt was
beneficial to Arowana. They naturally inhabit fairly soft water.
I'd be looking for more specific treatments here, in
particular to deal with secondary bacterial infections, which are
likely the cause of the skin problem.> After an hour he was
back horizontal and is also ok this morning. But still weak and
no appetite + plus is breathing a little slow still. Now I have
carefully inspected him from head to tail. There are no white
lice or spots anywhere on his body. His head itself is healed and
looks good. But his lips are still white both lower and upper.
However it lips do look like they are getting fuzzy or hairy so
it could be cotton mouth but I am no expert. <It's just
secondary infections setting in. As I say, treat as you would
Finrot and/or Fungus and be done with it. Salt isn't really
helpful, and neither is Melafix-type stuff.> Any ideas? I
usually feed crickets but occasionally give them feeders.
<Crickets are fine, but they are pretty monotonous and unless
you are gut-loading them then hardly a balanced diet. Mix it up,
and use either a range of insects or a mix of crickets with
carnivore pellets. Feeder fish are an incredibly bad idea with
Arowanas. Goldfish and other Cyprinidae are right out, because of
their fat content and Thiaminase, but any feeders you didn't
personally breed yourself should be treated as parasite/bacteria
time bombs. I'm not sure why so many fishkeepers can't
grasp this: they spend $1000 on an prize Arowana, and then feed
it a 10 cent goldfish taken from a tank with billions of other
goldfish many of which are quite obviously sick and all of which
are nutritionally incredibly bad for most predatory fish.
It's insane.> I believe it came from a batch of Rosie
minnows several weeks ago. <Even better. Did you breed those
Minnows yourself? And gut-load them? And de-worm them? And treat
them with a systemic antibiotic? If the answer is "No"
to any of those questions, why on earth were you feeding them to
fish you purport to care about? Feeder fish -- unless you breed
livebearers or something safe yourself -- are nothing more than
disease time bombs. Don't use them.> Although they were
quarantined for a week with no deaths or apparent problems first.
<Indeed.> What would be the best thing to do for treatment?
<Finrot/fungus medication of a type safe for use with Arowana.
Quite possibly their is an internal bacterial infection as well,
given the odd behaviour of this fish. An antibiotic or
antibacterial may help.> Any specific medications or
treatments? Also none of the other fish have shown any problems
after 3 weeks now. I want this fish to live at all costs! <In
which case, consult a vet. Largish fish like Arowana can respond
quite well to prescription medications better than those offered
by pet stores.> I can take pictures if needed. PLEASE HELP!
<Certainly, a photo of the head of this fish would help pin
down the precise infection. But I'm fairly sure it's some
sort of secondary infection caused by [a] being bitten by a more
aggressive fish (they fight jaw-to-jaw and jaw-to-tail) or [b]
hitting its head on the roof of the tank while trying to escape
from something. My money would be on one of the Jardinei throwing
its weight around. While your plan might work with South American
Arowanas, and maybe even some of the Asian Scleropages, in my
opinion Jardinei are just too mean.> Sincerely, Robert <I
hope this helps Robert. Your project looks fascinating and I
entirely understand your love of these superb fish. But I suspect
you have taken on rather more than would be wise. Sincerely,
Neale>
|
Very Sick Arowana! HELP! Hello WWM crew.
First off, your time is greatly appreciated! I have searched all
over your website and all over the web and can't seem to find
what I am looking for. Hopefully one of you will have an answer.
One of my silver Arowanas is very sick. First here are some of
the details of the tank, setup, and water parameters. I have a
website for my tank on myarowanatank.googlepages.com so you can
check out the basics of my tank. 4 months ago I received 7 baby
Arowanas. 4 jardinei and 3 silvers. They are currently
range from 5 inches for the smallest jardinei to 11inches for the
biggest silver. They are in a 150 gallon tank <... not
altogether...> with a sump operating volume of 42 gallons. I
know it is small but that is for a reason. I am keeping them in
that small of a tank so they do not get territorial. <This
won't happen...> I have had zero fights because of it. I
have 430 gallon tank ready for them when they get a little
bigger. <I would move them now... at least all the
silvers...> I will eventually have an even larger tank for
them when they need it. So despite the size it is setup to handle
the bio load for all of them right now. I am OCD about my tank
water. I do 10% water changes by gravel vacuuming daily which is
automatically replaced by the RO/DI and auto fill system. I
maintain KH with baking soda. There is also a 36W UV before the
input into the tank. Ok so the water during the day is at. pH =
6.8 - 7.0 Ammonia = 0 always Nitrite = 0 always Nitrate = always
less than 5, usually zero GH = 60 always KH = maintained between
20 - 40 PO4 = 0 -.5 <All look good> Now one of my silvers
is very sick. 3 weeks ago I noticed white scratches on is head
and white around his lips. It looked like damage from hitting
stuff which they occasionally do and not like cotton mouth.? I
added a little salt and the head mark went away in about 4-5
days. However after a few more days the lips were still not
healed and I noticed his appetite dropping off. (All 7 eat 1000
crickets a week right now!) <Need more nutrition than this>
I hand feed them and pet them so I knew something was wrong. He
would only take food if I held it in front of his mouth for
awhile and was very slow and not aggressive when he would finally
eat it. But appetite dropped from 20 to maybe 4 crickets a day.
He is know pretty skinny and still has white lips and has lost
all of his appetite yesterday. Last night I caught him vertical
tail on bottom head straight up. I took him out of main tank and
put him in the plant refugium. Added aeration, salt, stress coat,
and some extra minerals to the water. After an hour he was back
horizontal and is also ok this morning. But still weak and no
appetite + plus is breathing a little slow still. Now I have
carefully inspected him from head to tail. There are no white
lice or spots anywhere on his body. His head itself is healed and
looks good. But his lips are still white both lower and upper.
However the lips are not hairy or fuzzy. It doesn't look like
cotton mouth or ich but I am no expert. Any ideas? I usually feed
crickets but occasionally give them feeders. I believe it came
from a batch of Rosie minnows several weeks ago. Although they
were quarantined for a week with no deaths or apparent problems
first. So any recommended medications or treatments? Also none of
the other fish have shown any problems after 3 weeks now. I want
this fish to live at all costs! I can take pictures if needed.
PLEASE HELP! Sincerely, Robert Bledsoe <Again... better, wider
nutrition and move the Osteoglossum bicirrhosum to the larger
system... they will fight there in time as well... the real
issues here are diet and stress. Bob Fenner>
Very Sick Arowana PLEASE HELP! Neale's much more
thorough go 11/11/07 Hello WWM crew. First
off, your time is greatly appreciated! <You're
welcome.> I have searched all over your website and all over
the web and can't seem to find what I am looking for.
<Ok.> Hopefully one of you will have an answer. One of my
silver Arowanas is very sick. First here are some of the details
of the tank, setup, and water parameters. I have a website for my
tank on myarowanatank.googlepages.com so you can check out the
basics of my tank. <I'd sooner you summarised this here.
Kind of a pain to have to open up another browser window and
trawl through a whole bunch of stuff to find what I wanted. All I
really care about is water chemistry, tank volume, filtration and
diet. But nice tank though.> 4 months ago I received 7 baby
Arowanas. 4 jardinei and 3 silvers. <You do realise the
Jardinei's will pulverize the poor South American
Arowanas?> They are currently range from 5 inches for the
smallest jardinei to 11 inches for the biggest silver. <Quite
a selection. There are, as I hope you know, territorial,
non-schooling fish. Unless the tank is the size of a pond,
it's one to a tank.> They are in a 150 gallon tank with a
sump operating volume of 42 gallons. <Way too small for this
number of Arowana. Two compatible South Americans might coexist,
but even a single Jardinei is going to own that space, and treat
anything else in there as either [a] dinner or [b] target
practise.> I know it is small but that is for a reason.
<Indeed...?> I am keeping them in that small of a tank so
they do not get territorial. <You're joking, right? These
aren't Mbuna or mudskippers, where this sort of idea makes
sense. Each of these fish gets to around a metre in length, and
most of that is solid muscle. The sheer bio-load on the filter
alone is reason enough NOT to keep them all in a tank this size.
If you want to stock multiple South American Arowana, it's
something around 150-200 gallons per fish. With Jardinei, it just
isn't viable because of their incredible aggression.> I
have had zero fights because of it. <No, you've had no
fights because they're babies. Give 'em a few more
months. Once the Jardinei are half-grown, the males will be
causing a LOT of problems.> I have 430 gallon tank ready for
them when they get a little bigger. <Ah, that tank will house
two, maybe three South Americans. Or one Jardinei. Your
choice.> I will eventually have an even larger tank for them
when they need it. <I hope so. The seven South American
Arowanas are going to want something like 1000-1500 gallons. And
one Jardinei will take over that tank all by itself given the
chance.> So despite the size it is setup to handle the bio
load for all of them right now. <Well, they're not
"all right" at all. You have one dying Arowana. This is
what happens when you have too many mutually aggressive fish.
I've seen it with Archerfish, halfbeaks, angelfish, Mbuna,
and so on ad nauseum. One fish gets sick, and dies thanks to
stress and an inability to get enough food. A few weeks or months
later, another fish dies. And then another. And then another.
Until there is one left, the dominant male.> I am OCD about my
tank water. <Good.> I do 10% water changes by gravel
vacuuming daily which is automatically replaced by the RO/DI and
auto fill system. I maintain KH with baking soda. There is also a
36W UV before the input into the tank. Ok so the water during the
day is at. pH = 6.8 - 7.0 Ammonia = 0 always Nitrite = 0 always
Nitrate = always less than 5, usually zero GH = 60 always KH =
maintained between 20 - 40 PO4 = 0 -.5 <All seems fine.>
Now one of my silvers is very sick. 3 weeks ago I noticed white
scratches on is head and white around his lips. <Skin damage.
From fighting or jumping. Quelle surprise.> It looked like
damage from hitting stuff which they occasionally do and not like
cotton mouth.? <Treat as per Finrot.> I added a little salt
and the head mark went away in about 4-5 days. However after a
few more days the lips were still not healed and I noticed his
appetite dropping off. (All 7 eat 1000 crickets a week right
now!) I hand feed them and pet them so I knew something was
wrong. He would only take food if I held it in front of his mouth
for awhile and was very slow and not aggressive when he would
finally eat it. <Likely stress. This is what happens when fish
are stressed. They go into a "retiring" modus to avoid
contact with aggressive fish, I suppose. In any case, the best
(only) cure is to remove the fish to another tank and allow it to
rest and feed peacefully.> But appetite dropped from 20 to
maybe 4 crickets a day. He is know pretty skinny and still has
white lips and has lost all of his appetite yesterday. Last night
I caught him vertical tail on bottom head straight up. <Nichts
gut.> I took him out of main tank and put him in the plant
refugium. Added aeration, salt, stress coat, and some extra
minerals to the water. <Wasn't aware that salt was
beneficial to Arowana. They naturally inhabit fairly soft water.
I'd be looking for more specific treatments here, in
particular to deal with secondary bacterial infections, which are
likely the cause of the skin problem.> After an hour he was
back horizontal and is also ok this morning. But still weak and
no appetite + plus is breathing a little slow still. Now I have
carefully inspected him from head to tail. There are no white
lice or spots anywhere on his body. His head itself is healed and
looks good. But his lips are still white both lower and upper.
However it lips do look like they are getting fuzzy or hairy so
it could be cotton mouth but I am no expert. <It's just
secondary infections setting in. As I say, treat as you would
Finrot and/or Fungus and be done with it. Salt isn't really
helpful, and neither is Melafix-type stuff.> Any ideas? I
usually feed crickets but occasionally give them feeders.
<Crickets are fine, but they are pretty monotonous and unless
you are gut-loading them then hardly a balanced diet. Mix it up,
and use either a range of insects or a mix of crickets with
carnivore pellets. Feeder fish are an incredibly bad idea with
Arowanas. Goldfish and other Cyprinidae are right out, because of
their fat content and Thiaminase, but any feeders you didn't
personally breed yourself should be treated as parasite/bacteria
time bombs. I'm not sure why so many fishkeepers can't
grasp this: they spend $1000 on an prize Arowana, and then feed
it a 10 cent goldfish taken from a tank with billions of other
goldfish many of which are quite obviously sick and all of which
are nutritionally incredibly bad for most predatory fish.
It's insane.> I believe it came from a batch of Rosie
minnows several weeks ago. <Even better. Did you breed those
Minnows yourself? And gut-load them? And de-worm them? And treat
them with a systemic antibiotic? If the answer is "No"
to any of those questions, why on earth were you feeding them to
fish you purport to care about? Feeder fish -- unless you breed
livebearers or something safe yourself -- are nothing more than
disease time bombs. Don't use them.> Although they were
quarantined for a week with no deaths or apparent problems first.
<Indeed.> What would be the best thing to do for treatment?
<Finrot/fungus medication of a type safe for use with Arowana.
Quite possibly their is an internal bacterial infection as well,
given the odd behaviour of this fish. An antibiotic or
antibacterial may help.> Any specific medications or
treatments? Also none of the other fish have shown any problems
after 3 weeks now. I want this fish to live at all costs! <In
which case, consult a vet. Largish fish like Arowana can respond
quite well to prescription medications better than those offered
by pet stores.> I can take pictures if needed. PLEASE HELP!
<Certainly, a photo of the head of this fish would help pin
down the precise infection. But I'm fairly sure it's some
sort of secondary infection caused by [a] being bitten by a more
aggressive fish (they fight jaw-to-jaw and jaw-to-tail) or [b]
hitting its head on the roof of the tank while trying to escape
from something. My money would be on one of the Jardinei throwing
its weight around. While your plan might work with South American
Arowanas, and maybe even some of the Asian Scleropages, in my
opinion Jardinei are just too mean.> Sincerely, Robert <I
hope this helps Robert. Your project looks fascinating and I
entirely understand your love of these superb fish. But I suspect
you have taken on rather more than would be wise. Sincerely,
Neale>
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Re: Disease Identification On Arowana 11/12/07 Hi
Crew, <Alan> Possible to identify the disease (see attached
pic.) that's on my Arowana's head. Currently it's in
a hospital tank with aquarium salt and heater set to
32°C. Will this do? It's already a week and
doesn't shows any sign of improvement. Any other remedy
that'll speed up the cure? Thks. In advance. Regards. Alan
<... is the physical trauma Neale and I have told you about...
No "treatment" recommended... other than what's
been stated re the dire need to separate these fishes. Please
read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/bonytongfaqs.htm
Bob Fenner>
Re:... Disease Identification On Arowana...
still not understanding... 11/13/07 Hi Crew,
Thks. for the reply. Sorry for being in doubt, but it looks
fungus (whitish film over certain top scales) to me. Will adding
of antibiotics helps? If it's really caused by physical
trauma, then is it advisable to put it back into the main tank
with the rest of the fishes? Thks. in advance. Regards. Alan
<... not worth treating... can't be put back in...
RMF>
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Re: Very Sick Arowana update! 11/16/07
Thanks for the response! First off let me say I am taking your
advice and all the Jardinei's are going! The largest Jardinei
is getting very aggressive and herding the 3 smaller ones to the
bottom of the tank. <Indeed. This is what they do.> The
largest jardinei is being sold to the owner of a LFS in 3 days.
<Good. They're lovely animals -- but one to a tank!> The
others I will get rid of ASAP with care of course. <Good. You
will find that the largest male left behind will become aggressive,
and so on as you remove them.> Then the silvers (hopefully 3 not
2) are going to be moved to the 430 gallon until they grow a little
bigger. <OK.> Now as for the sick silver. I isolated him for
5 days in the plant refuge and treated him per instructions with 2
packets of 200mg Erythromycin, aeration, and a daily 25% water
change before each daily redose. The mouth wound or infection has
healed considerably and has lost its fuzziness and just left the
slight erosion on the end of the lip. <This will heal in due
course, but some scarring may remain. Often the "new"
skin has a different colour to what was there before. This is
particularly commonly seen in fins, but can happen on the body as
well.> He appeared to be swimming fine and a lot more active but
will not take food. <Not a problem in the short term. More
important he heals.> So I placed him back in the main tank
hoping it would encourage him to eat. <Which he won't if
he's being bullied there. I'd keep a sick Arowana on its
own. Really, they're best kept alone anyway, and if you going
to mix them, they all need to be healthy.> He has not eaten for
about 7 or 8 days now. How long can they go without eating?
<Several weeks. Do try alternate foods. South American Arowanas
have a great fondness for insects, so try offering a variety of
different insects. Beetles are apparently their favourite food.
River shrimps, if you can get them, are also excellent, and few
predatory fish ignore earthworms. Don't worry too much though.
When the fish is healthy, it will eat.> Now back in the main
tank I watched him closely for several hours. During the day he was
horizontal and swimming with a slight waddle. After the lights
turned off at night I found him vertical again. He would curve or
coil his tail up and try to touch his body. At one point he was
swimming in a out of control spiral. After a while he would be back
up top swimming normal. Then back on the bottom head up again. I
have looked him over very closely. His fins look perfect! The only
thing I can see is a small red tinted spot approx 1/8 -3/16"
in diameter which u can barely see. When he was still I looked
closely at it with a flash light. It appears to have a pin head
little spot in the middle of it. This is the only thing I can see
on his body. I have attached a few large pictures now if that
helps. <Please next time send smaller photos -- it takes forever
to download 14 MB of photos via an e-mail client. We do explicitly
ask for photos no larger than a few hundred KB each.> The first
picture is when I placed him in refuge for treatment. The other
night time photos where just taken (last 2 show red spot on lower
jaw / gill area. What do you think?? Should I treat for fungal,
parasites, or different bacteria? Again thanks for your time.
Sincerely, Robert <He needs to be moved back to his own tank and
kept there, end of story. Get the fish settled down and healed. I
don't think there's any seriously wrong with your fish.
It's noticeably underweight, yes, but that's easy enough to
fix with a mixture of live invertebrates and good quality pellets.
The antibiotics or antibacterials will take care of the secondary
infections. My guess would be this fish is at the bottom of the
pecking order, and putting it into the big tank is simply futile.
It's a fish that needs its own tank where it can swim about and
feed naturally. Ultimately you can't medicate this problem away
-- it's a question of husbandry. Arowanas are not schooling
fish in the wild and they are not sociable fish in aquaria. They
are territorial loners, and the males especially are pretty nasty
towards one another. What you're trying to do is fight against
nature, and that's a battle I don't think you can win. If
you happen to get a few specimens that coexist, that's great,
but there will likely be specimens that will not coexist, and they
will HAVE to be re-homed. Cheers, Neale.> |
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Swimming Problem... need info.
10/23/07 Hi Crew, <Alan> One of my fish can't seem to
"dive down" no matter how hard she try and the back is always
expose above the water level. She's swimming in a horizontal
position and not those with head tilted downwards. What's the
cause? Should I start to isolate and medicate her or will most likely
recover on its own? Pls. advise and thanks in advance. Regards. Alan
<Mmm, is this saltwater, fresh? What species of fish? Such
disorientation can be the result of trauma, poor nutritional
conditioning, diseases of various sorts... And their resolution a
reflection of cause... If a goldfish... a good guess... Please read
here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/gldfshmalnut.htm and the
linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Re: Swimming Problem, Osteoglossid
10/24/07 Hi Crew, <Alan> Sorry for missing out the type of
fish, it's an Arowana. Should I take her out and into the hospital
tank with medication? Pls. advise and Thks. Regards. Alan <I would
NOT move this fish... much more likely trouble in doing so than not.
Likely the root cause here is either a physical trauma (highly likely
from jumping) or "trapped gas" inside from a blockage... In
time this should pass. I would leave this fish where it is, be careful
re feeding only small amounts of cut up food. Bob Fenner>
Arowana with Anchor Worms 3/16/2007 Hello Crew,
I
tried to email you thru the website but it would not go thru. I have a
5 inch Silver Arowana and I noticed it had a few Anchor Worms on him.
Well I looked it up on the internet and found several ways to treat
Anchor Worms, and I am not sure of the best way to go. So I was
wondering if you could help? <Gladly>
I
have him in a 55 gallon tank with 2 Leopard Plecos (3 inches each) and
2 Sun Catfish (3 inches each). The Plecos and Cats look fine. I do have
a Hospital tank set up and running as I type (35 gallon long), but I am
not sure what to do. What treatment method should I use and what
Medication? Do I have to treat the 55 gallon even if I move him? <I
would treat this main tank, either in addition, or leave the Arowana in
place, and treat it there as well> I am just lost right now and do
not want to lose my Aro. If you have any ideas on how I should handle
this issue please let me know. <Do get some help... as I suggest you
carefully net out and hold this fish down (gently) and use tweezers to
remove the adult worms/crustaceans from the Arowana (pull near their
points of insertion, away from the fish (toward the tail)... daub the
area where they're removed with a Mercurical (e.g. Mercurochrome)
on a cotton swab (e.g. "Q-Tip")... and treat the water for
intermediate forms with an Organophosphate... (e.g. Fluke Taps, Dylox,
Masoten...) Please read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/PondSubWebIndex/contrpdparasit.htm
and the linked files above. Bob
Fenner> Thanks
in advance, Sara N.
Arowana rubbing on things own jardinei Arowana that is about
10 inches, right now my fish didn't eat anything for a whole week,
it's skin begin scratch and all the skin lost its color, can you
help me some ways to prevent this problem, thank! <Arowanas are
often times quick to turn off of food. Usually it's
because of declining water conditions or illness. Since you
mentioned it's scratching, then it most likely has a skin infection
which will need to be treated immediately. If you have a
large enough tank to separate it and medicate it than please do
so. It most likely has a parasite like Ich, and is rubbing
on things to help remove the parasite from it's body. I
would suggest medicating the fish with something like Maracide from
Mardel. That should help the fish. Good luck.
-Magnus>
Arowana problems Hi, I am wondering if anyone can help me, I
have two Arowanas. One has started to swim with his head up with his
rest of his body vertically down. I waited for a while thinking he had
died but realized that he was still alive? He is swimming normally now,
but has done this a few times! What is he doing?? Thank you for your
time and I hope to hear from you soon. Hello John. You will need to
give us a bit more information. What size tank is he in? What
filtration do you use? Do you add any products, and if so, which ones?
How often do you do partial water changes? Do you know your ammonia,
nitrite, nitrate levels, and what are you feeding your Arowanas?
Arowanas are prone to Internal gas bubble disease. Make sure your tank
has good circulation and surface movement. Here are some links which
may help you understand what gas bubble disease is: http://www.seahorse.org/library/articles/GBD.shtml
and http://www.thekrib.com/Diseases/gas-bubble.html -Gwen
Wormy Arowana - 02/27/06 I have a 12" Arowana that
had a lump on his right side. I tried to treat it with Prazi-pro, and
salt but to no avail. I thought he may have developed dropsy but that
was his only symptom, so I treated him with Maracyn II after the Prazi
and salt but that didn't work either. So, I decided to perform
surgery. I used Eugenol as the anesthetic (clove bud oil) then made a
small incision under the scale at the backside of the lump. I
couldn't believe what I saw. I removed a 3-4" pink worm with a
white head all curled up in a ball. He is doing fine know and I am
using the Maracyn II as an antibiotic. I was wondering if you could
identify the worm and give me some tips on how to prevent this again?
My water is perfect and I also have a very healthy teacup ray and clown
knife. Thanks Mark Galary < These fish are always wild caught and
could have picked up all kinds of intestinal critters like flatworms or
tapeworms. Use a medication with Praziquantel in it like
Parasite clear, or PraziPro to prevent further
problems.-Chuck>
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