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Undiagnosed disease. 5/17/18
Hello crew, i hope you are doing well, as always.
<Hi Roberto,>
With the coming of winter, and slightly colder temperatures, i started using
heaters in my tanks. (it was getting below 22 C).
<Wise.>
One day i woke up to a Columbian tetra caught between the heater and the glass.
I dislodged him and he went onto normal, except that he had an horrible vertical
searing wound. It looked pretty horrible. I observed the fish for the following
days and he looked to be healing pretty well. When everything looked good, he
developed white, round growths on his wounds. It started slow, and i tried to
net him many times out, but netting him out of a 150 gallon heavily planted tank
is... hard. I decided to just keep on water changes daily and keep clean
filters, etc.
<Understood.>
The growths disappeared, and he seemed to heal completely. a week after the
growths came back more aggressively, but still advancing slowly. Maybe a new
growth every 2 days or so. I finally netted him out and put him on quarantine. I
am concerned between three different ailments which are listed on your website:
Lymphocystis, fungus or Columnaris.
<It doesn't look like Lymphocystis from the photographs of the Mollies and the
Siamese Algae Eater. Conceivably Whitespot, but more likely Fungus, Columnaris,
or perhaps Costia.>
i treated him with tetracycline and Methylene blue (correct me if im wrong, this
has formalin right?).
<Formalin may be an ingredient in commercial medications, but these two
chemicals are specific things, and in themselves, not formalin.>
Not sure if the treatment worked, as it jumped out overnight...
<Oh.>
Fast forwarding a couple days, both fish pictures, a black molly and a SAE,
developed the same growths. They don't have any wounds, they just started
developing the growths. It seemed as first that single scales were popping out,
then in the place of the pooped out scale appeared the growths. Some growths
have disappeared, but they have left red open wounds.
<Not good.>
I have the molly in a 5 gal and treated with tetracycline, Methylene blue.
<Methylene Blue is effective against fungal infections, but will have little/no
impact on Costia or Columnaris (also known as Mouth Fungus). Fungal infections
often set in alongside other types of disease, which can be why Methylene Blue
seems to help a bit, even where the actual problem is a protozoan or bacterium
species.>
It seems to be working, albeit slowly. I am keeping on water changes on both the
main tank and the quarantine, but what do you think is a correct diagnose?
<See above. Costia is typically associated with off-white to grey smears (hence
'Slime Disease') and can develop extremely rapidly. It usually respond best to
anti-Whitespot medications, albeit slowly enough 2-3 rounds of treatment may be
required. Columnaris (or Mouth Fungus) is bacterial in nature, so antibiotics
are ideal, but failing that, some type of antibacterial medication used for
external infections such as Finrot. I'd perhaps be looking at something like
eSHa 2000 in the first instance, as it's fairly broad acting, dealing with a
range of external bacteria and fungal infections. It also works well (and
safely) alongside eSHa EXIT, which is a very good against external Protozoans.
Since both these medications are cheap and widely sold, they're my favoured
combination for use against difficult to identify, though obviously external,
diseases.>
I went out and bought an API medicine that is supposedly for fungus. It is
Victoria green (malachite green?) and Acriflavine. I can get Acriflavine
separately for cheaper. Should i add, this sickness doesn't seem to be stressing
them, they are eating normally, even the Columbian was doing so, even when
heavily infested, it is developing, albeit very slowly.
I will be waiting input, so far no other fish have developed the growths, but it
has shown it doesn't need an open wound to do so.
As always, thanks, WWM.
<Hope this helps. Cheers, Neale.>
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Sick Betta (RMF, any better guesses?)<<None>>
4/21/18
Thank you for the opportunity to ask you about my sick Betta. I have a
female Betta that has developed a whitish film first on her
sides and now on the top of her head and gill plates. She has a
good appetite, puts
forward enthusiasm when she sees me, but otherwise is not herself,
depressed and not swimming around as usual, she is not flashing or
scratching, her fins are clamped most of the time. She is in an
established, filtered, heated bare bottom tank (I think it's a 3 gal)
with weekly water changes. There is an air bubbler and two live
plants in the tank. The film on her seems flat not real poufy or cottony
and as far as I can tell does not seem slimy, it's just a film that I
know is not normal.
She holds her anal fins close to her body. Your thoughts are greatly
appreciated! Sincerely, Tina
<Hello Tina. Assuming good water quality and adequate heat, and no
evidence of classic Whitespot (such as salt grain speckles and
persistent scratching), my mind is turning towards Costia, sometimes
called Slime Disease or Ichthyobodo. It's relatively easy to treat if
caught early, but can become more stubborn with time. It's a protozoan
parasite a bit like Whitespot that causes the skin to become cloudy with
mucous. Often the cloudiness surrounds the scales, almost like mortar
around bricks.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fwsubwebindex/CostiaF.htm
Many anti-Whitespot medications will work against Costia (I like eSHa
2000) but more often than not a second course is needed because Costia
does seem to be quite stubborn and difficult to shift. The classic
remedy was
formalin, but that's somewhat less widely used nowadays because it can
be toxic, to both fish and aquarist! Hope this helps, Neale.>
Re: sick Betta (RMF, any better guesses?) <<Nothing more>>
4/23/18
Thank you for your quick response. I have attached a few pictures, I hope they
aren't too big. If Betta does have Costia will Seachem "Para Guard" be
effective? Thank you again! Tina
<Paraguard should work, being marketed as useful against ectoparasites, but I've
not tried this particular approach, and Seachem are a little vague on specifics!
Since it doesn't contain either copper or formalin, the two best treatments for
Costia, it wouldn't be my first choice. But definitely worth a shot, especially
alongside elevated temperatures and/or salt water dips.
Costia struggles to survive at temperatures above 28 C/86 F, which Bettas can
easily handle. Dipping fish for short periods in seawater (35 gram sea
salt/litre aquarium water) can help to shift the mucous and kill some of
the parasites. Bettas aren't particularly tolerant of salt, so I'd use this with
the usual caution of removing the fish at the first sign of distress.
The longer the exposure to salt, the better -- so obviously this approach is
especially well suited to those fish that handle seawater well, such as Guppies
and Mollies. Nonetheless, anti-Whitespot medications of all sorts, used on their
own, should shift Costia, but as I've said before, it may require several
treatments because Costia is a stubborn little critter!
Cheers, Neale.>
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Maybe Not Really Algae; Misgurnis dis.
9/3/17
Hello WWM Crew!
<Hello Renee,>
This is Renee, in Idaho with the human remains in the water!
<Eh?>
Haven’t written to you for a while, and I hope you are all well, but everything
here is going great! The BGK is healthy, happy, and almost 6 inches long now!
The Elephant Nose has filled out nicely, is eating well, and has turned out to
be a gregarious little charmer!
<All sounds like good news.>
I even “inherited” a Baby Whale (completely separate tanks from both the
Elephant Nose and the BGK {who are also in separate tanks from each other}) who
is turning out to be a really fun little fish! We had a little “bump in the
road” in the loach tank earlier this week (see attached picture), but I took
this same picture down to my aquarium store, they sold me some Kanaplex which
took care of the problem completely in 24 hours (I still have one more treatment
to give, but the fish were clear 24 hours after the first dose). But something
unforeseen happened after the first treatment and it is that event I wanted to
ask you about.
This all took place in my 125 gallon which houses 7 Weather Loaches and 6 SAE’s
(the SAE’s did not get whatever this white stuff was – just the loaches).
<It looks like Slime Disease, also known as Costia.>
Its been up and cycled for 2 years now. That is significant because
this tank was in operation before I found out about the .5 – 1 ppm of ammonia
and the human remains in my tap water. I changed the substrate when I switched
to the RO water, but the tank, ornaments, filter, and powerheads, were all
exposed to the creepy, nasty, water from my well. When I changed over to the
RO/DI water, I did it incrementally so as not to destroy the biological filter
in the tank. Regardless, for the last year, I have been battling a nasty algae
that sprung up and covered the ornaments and the back wall (and only the back
wall) of the tank. Originally, it was the long black hairy looking algae, hence
the SAE’s who took care of that promptly. But a blackish green algae remained
(you can kind of see it in the background of the picture of the sick fish),
again, only on the ornaments and back wall. But the SAE’s wouldn’t touch it. I
tried putting one of my Bristlenose in for a while, but I never saw it go near
that back wall.
<Black slime on an aquarium is almost certainly algae. If it has a distinctive
musty smell, chances are that it's Cyanobacteria. If you have a hand lens or
microscope, you can look at it, and often see it has a fine, matted, thread-like
texture even though it looks glossy and sheet-like. Red algae, which can be
black, turns red when left in clear alcohol (hence the same, and yes, vodka
should work) has a coarser tufty texture in most cases and other than a watery
smell, doesn't normally smell of anything.>
So I’ve been scrubbing that stuff weekly ever since without much success. I
mean, this stuff is tough – I scrub with a fairly aggressive plastic pad as well
as an algae scraper from my aquarium store and I have to scrub very hard for
what seems like forever to even put a dent in this stuff. Well, the Kanaplex
that I used to treat the loaches is killing this stuff (I don’t call it algae,
even though that’s what it looked like, because I no longer believe that’s what
it was).
<Antibiotics can, do kill Cyanobacteria.>
After the first dose, ¾’s of it was gone. After the second treatment, all that’s
left is a few patches here and there. And it’s NOT floating loose and creating a
green cloud in the water like it does when I try to scrub it, it’s just gone
(YEAY!)! I’ve been researching and the stuff that comes closest to what I had
was the Cyanobacteria – but still not quite the same. The pictures I saw of the
Cyano showed the stuff covering ONLY the floor and ornaments in the tank, not
the glass walls at all.
<There are of course various kinds. In my experience Cyanobacteria tends to be
promoted by a number of things: slow water movement, direct sunlight, high
temperature spikes during the day, and infrequent water changes that allow
nitrate to stay consistently high.>
The stuff I had covered the back wall harder than cement, but only the back wall
and the ornaments. Maybe that means nothing, I don’t know.
<Oh, it often is significant. Sand and gravel may be at places where water flow
is slower, and ornaments will certainly reduce water flow.>
So I guess what I’m asking is can you identify this stuff, could it be
responsible for the sick fish, and will it come back?
<I think the loach has Costiasis, which is unrelated, and while somewhat
difficult to treat, there are medications available that do deal with it
effectively.>
I take care of both of my elderly parents and my father had a health crisis
three days before I noticed the sick fish (he’s ok now), so they could have been
suffering with this during that time.
<Possibly, but might simply be bad luck.>
The day I realized what was going on also happened to be the day of their
scheduled water change and their monthly filter cleaning. Ammonia and nitrite
were zero, but the nitrate test was a fairly dark orange, but no red, which I
interpreted as 20 – 30 ppm (which is a little higher than normal). The tank has
an E-heim 2217 canister filter and a powerhead (on the opposite side of the
filter spray bar to keep the water moving on that end).
<Hope this helps. Cheers, Neale.>
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Re: Maybe Not Really Algae 9/4/17
It helps tremendously, thank you!
<Most welcome! Neale.>
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Costia on Bandit Cory(s), invert safe treatments?
5/27/15
Hi, I have a planted 65 gal tank 4 years+ running with honey gouramis, kuhli
loaches, Hengle's Rasboras, bandit Cory's, Amano shrimp, Nerite snails, Oto
cats. I think the Oto cats brought in disease and I had some loses of livestock
and then things seemed to stabilize with no more dying fish. Some of the Cory
cats, one in particular, have gray slime on them that seems to be 'Costia'.
<Costia, now called Ichthyobodo, is an awkward parasite for sure. It's one of
the causes of Slime Disease, though not the only one, so do be aware of that.
Curiously, but significantly, Costia is harmlessly present in most tanks, and
only becomes problematic when the fish become stressed. So it's important to try
and think of why that might be the case. In any case, there are various
proprietary treatments out there, such as eSHa 2000 (no formalin or copper),
QuickCure (has formalin in it though) and Interpet Anti Slime and Velvet (this
latter also contains formalin). Otherwise, apart from formalin (which does
indeed work well against Costia) any metrifonate-based medication should work
well.>
I have gradually turned the heat up from 77 F to 83 F. The slime seems less on
the worst Cory but still there. I can't net them out of the tank, too many
obstacles. The invertebrates make using most of the medications recommended for
Costia not safe to use.
<Indeed. Anything with copper or formalin in it may be toxic to shrimps, snails,
and potentially sensitive fish including loaches and catfish. So you've got
problems.>
Is there anything else that I can/should be doing? Does Paraguard have any
effect on Costia?
<Paraguard has a chemical similar to formaldehyde in it, so wouldn't be an
obvious choice for use with your community of species.>
Prazi-pro did not help at all.
<Obviously not. It's a dewormer.>
Thanks,
Jeff
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Costia on Bandit Cory(s), invert safe treatments?
5/28/15
I'm not sure if I can get eSHa 2000 here in Canada. I'll look around.
<Or order online, via eBay, etc.>
The inverts in this tank have been through Paraguard treatment before without
losses. I've never had it obviously cure anything, but if you think it would
have a chance at Costia I'm willing to try it. I have a bottle handy. Should I
adjust the dose for the Cory cats or Otto's?
<Adjusting doses down is fairly pointless. Generally the dose stated on the
bottle is the dose needed to kill the parasite. Half doses might work, but then
again, they might not. You could consult with the manufacturer for
guidance. SeaChem do have an FAQ, here:
http://www.seachem.com/support/FAQs/ParaGuard.html
They don't sell this product as "reef safe" as you can see, which means it might
be toxic to invertebrates... but then again, it might not! That's probably about
as sure a reply as you're going to get on this product.
Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Costia on Bandit Cory(s), invert safe treatments?
5/29/15
I tried the Prazi-pro first because I thought it might be skin flukes. I'll try
the Paraguard after I do a water change on the weekend and see if that helps. If
I go much higher with the water temps I am going to lose some plants.
I'll let you know if it seems to do anything.
Thanks, Jeff
<You're welcome, Neale.>
Costia on Bandit Cory(s), invert safe treatments?
5/27/15
Hi, I have a planted 65 gal tank 4 years+ running with honey gouramis, kuhli
loaches, Hengle's Rasboras, bandit Cory's, Amano shrimp, Nerite snails, Oto
cats. I think the Oto cats brought in disease and I had some loses of livestock
and then things seemed to stabilize with no more dying fish. Some of the Cory
cats, one in particular, have gray slime on them that seems to be 'Costia'.
<Costia, now called Ichthyobodo, is an awkward parasite for sure. It's one of
the causes of Slime Disease, though not the only one, so do be aware of that.
Curiously, but significantly, Costia is harmlessly present in most tanks, and
only becomes problematic when the fish become stressed. So it's important to try
and think of why that might be the case. In any case, there are various
proprietary treatments out there, such as eSHa 2000 (no formalin or copper),
QuickCure (has formalin in it though) and Interpet Anti Slime and Velvet (this
latter also contains formalin). Otherwise, apart from formalin (which does
indeed work well against Costia) any metrifonate-based medication should work
well.>
I have gradually turned the heat up from 77 F to 83 F. The slime seems less on
the worst Cory but still there. I can't net them out of the tank, too many
obstacles. The invertebrates make using most of the medications recommended for
Costia not safe to use.
<Indeed. Anything with copper or formalin in it may be toxic to shrimps, snails,
and potentially sensitive fish including loaches and catfish. So you've got
problems.>
Is there anything else that I can/should be doing? Does Paraguard have any
effect on Costia?
<Paraguard has a chemical similar to formaldehyde in it, so wouldn't be an
obvious choice for use with your community of species.>
Prazi-pro did not help at all.
<Obviously not. It's a dewormer.>
Thanks,
Jeff
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Costia on Bandit Cory(s), invert safe treatments?
5/28/15
I'm not sure if I can get eSHa 2000 here in Canada. I'll look around.
<Or order online, via eBay, etc.>
The inverts in this tank have been through Paraguard treatment before without
losses. I've never had it obviously cure anything, but if you think it would
have a chance at Costia I'm willing to try it. I have a bottle handy. Should I
adjust the dose for the Cory cats or Otto's?
<Adjusting doses down is fairly pointless. Generally the dose stated on the
bottle is the dose needed to kill the parasite. Half doses might work, but then
again, they might not. You could consult with the manufacturer for
guidance. SeaChem do have an FAQ, here:
http://www.seachem.com/support/FAQs/ParaGuard.html
They don't sell this product as "reef safe" as you can see, which means it might
be toxic to invertebrates... but then again, it might not! That's probably about
as sure a reply as you're going to get on this product.
Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Costia on Bandit Cory(s), invert safe treatments?
5/29/15
I tried the Prazi-pro first because I thought it might be skin flukes. I'll try
the Paraguard after I do a water change on the weekend and see if that helps. If
I go much higher with the water temps I am going to lose some plants.
I'll let you know if it seems to do anything.
Thanks, Jeff
<You're welcome, Neale.>
Re: Costia on Bandit Cory(s), invert safe treatments?
8/15/15
Hi Neale,
<Jeffrey,>
Is been awhile but I thought that I would let you know that the ParaGuard did
not do anything. However, I had some PolyGuard and that cleared up the problem
with 2 doses, maybe 3, I can't remember exactly.
<Cool.>
I have another question. I switched my tank to Fluorite black sand substrate
about 5-6 months ago because I thought the eco-complete was too sharp on Cory
cat and other bottom feeders barbels.
<Ah... not the best idea.>
Frustratingly, Cory cats I have put in there since have still developed eroded
barbels.
<Yes. Fluorite sand is, as I understand it, manufactured, not a natural product.
It isn't a natural substrate and remains sharp enough to cause problems for
bottom dwelling fish. An excellent choice for Amano-style tanks with midwater
fish (tetras for example) but not for catfish, loaches and so on.>
I know bacteria is another possible cause of this but the question is how to
avoid it.
<The erosion of the catfish barbels is a two-step process. The sand
creates scratches in the skin tissue, and bacteria (similar to Finrot) can get
in. Whether there's a threshold of dirtiness required for this second
step I do not know, but I'd assume not because catfish whiskers are just fine in
silica sand tanks with lots of organic detritus, which would seem to have more
bacteria than clean fluorite sand.>
I do a 30 percent water change every week and the tank is not heavily stocked.
It is a planted tank, so I do not vacuum the bottom during water changes.
<Generally no need.>
There are two AquaClear filters and a circulation pump, so there are no
noticeable dead spots with piles of waste building up in them.
Thanks,
Jeff
<It's the sand, Jeff. Swap it out for plain vanilla smooth
silica sand from a garden centre or pool filter sand supplier. Will look
hideously bright at first, but over time the grains darken (algae and bacteria,
I guess) and you'll find it much more agreeable. Alternatively, replace the
Corydoras with a midwater catfish species such as Dianema spp., Asian Glass
Cats,
African Glass Cats, or even Dwarf Upside Down Cats. Cheers, Neale.>
Fungus on some fish /RMF 11/3/14
Hi I wrote to you a few months ago about my large Silver Dollar who
suddenly developed pop eye & fungus patches. Despite my best efforts he
died.
<Am jumping in here; though Neale likely was corresponding with you.
He'll see this when the sun comes up in Europe>
Within the past few weeks I noticed fungus appearing on at least
4 other fish and I am beside myself as I have beautiful large, expensive
fish in this community tank. Went to a local guy who gave me a
white powder to put in (unfortunately I didn't get the name but was told
to keep it refrigerated).
<? What is this I wonder>
It is now 10 days later & I don't see much of a change & the tank is
overdue for a water change. I keep the temp at 78 & check the Ph
regularly & maintain it at approx 6.8.
<.... Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate? RedOx?>
Anything you could suggest would be greatly appreciated.
Rita~
<When, where in doubt, serial water changes... Send pix and data. Bob
Fenner>
Fungus on some fish /Neale 11/4/14
Hi I wrote to you a few months ago about my large Silver Dollar who
suddenly developed pop eye & fungus patches. Despite my best efforts he
died.
<Oh dear.>
Within the past few weeks I noticed fungus appearing on at least 4 other
fish and I am beside myself as I have beautiful large, expensive fish in
this community tank.
<As Bob F stated, without information about the aquarium hard to make
useful suggestions. As always with freshwater aquaria, check nitrite
first of all (as a test of water quality). Most fungal and Finrot
infections are
opportunistic. Physical damage (e.g., from rough handling or fighting)
plus non-zero ammonia and nitrite levels is (overwhelmingly) the
commonest scenario.>
Went to a local guy who gave me a white powder to put in (unfortunately
I didn't get the name but was told to keep it refrigerated).
<Presumably an antifungal. Methylene Blue is the oldest remedy for
fungal infections, but there are many (some better/safer). But
invariably remove carbon from the filter, if used, otherwise medications
generally won't work.>
It is now 10 days later & I don't see much of a change & the tank is
overdue for a water change. I keep the temp at 78 & check the Ph
regularly & maintain it at approx 6.8.
<Do of course review the pH, hardness and temperature are appropriate to
the species being kept. Rainbowfish and livebearers, for example, will
get fungus infections in acidic conditions.>
Anything you could suggest would be greatly appreciated.
Rita~
<Hope this helps. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Fungus on some fish
11/5/14
Neale and Bob ...thanks so much for your responses & Bob it was you I
corresponded w/ about the SD back in early July this year.
What are "serial water changes?"
<A quick succession of water changes; not so much temperature and water
chemistry are dramatically changed, but enough to rapidly dilute any
problems. Typically, 20% once or twice a day works well,
certainly leave a few hours between water changes. If you can keep water
chemistry and temperature steady, then changing 50% at once is
worthwhile. Basically, the idea is to change as much of the water as
possible, as frequently as possible, so that any stress factors (such as
ammonia, nitrite or nitrate) are diluted away.>
The med I was given sounds like lovosmel phosphate (sp?) & the 1st round
we did not remove the carbon but have done so now.
<Good. Almost always, if you leave (viable, fresh) carbon in the filter,
then medications have reduced/no effect.>
Don't have a nitrite test kit (never needed it) but will get one now.
<Together with pH, nitrite is the key beginner's chemical test kit, and
arguably the one every (freshwater) fishkeeper should have even if they
don't own any others. Less confusing than ammonia (because false
positives thanks to chloramine are common) and more immediately relevant
to health than nitrate (which can largely be ignored if you stock
moderately, feed moderately, and do regular water changes).>
A friend suggested we strip the tank, tossing the plastic plants &
bleach the decos, what do you think of that??
<Possibly, and won't do any harm, provided you don't strip the filter.
Leave the filter running, remove rocks and ornaments so you can give
them a good clean under a hot tap (bleaching isn't really necessary
though), then stir the gravel so you can siphon out more of the dirt
than otherwise. Deep cleaning a tank rarely/never fixes diseases, but
can help reveal problems such as dead/rotting cadavers that are causing
excessive water pollution.>
Attached are 2 pics of the most affected fish (lavender gourami). I have
a few baby clown loaches & see them after the fungus.
Many thanks,
Rita~
<Would actually wonder about Costia being the problem here. Sometimes
called "Slime Disease" because affected fish develop larger than usual
amounts of grey slime on their bodies. Various commercial medications
are available, usually containing formalin. Use very carefully as
directed because some fish (e.g., Loaches) respond poorly to these
formalin. Look out for signs of stress such as gasping at the surface.
Alternatives are
available. In the UK, I've found a medication called eSHa EXIT works
quite well on Costia, especially alongside seawater dips. Conversely,
avoid "cure-alls" such as Melafix that generally don't cure anything.
Cheers, Neale.>
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Re: Fungus on some fish 11/6/14
Neale, thank you so much for your detailed response. When I began
fishkeeping 30 yrs ago I did have all the test kits but never had an issue
w/anything other than pH.
<Indeed?>
Because I am disabled and need help doing stuff, typically 50% of the water
gets changed every 4 weeks but because of the meds we're about 2 weeks
overdue!
<Ah, well, best get on it this weekend!>
I will keep you posted. Thank you again.
Rita~
<Glad to help. Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Fungus on some fish 11/7/14
Ok got the test kits, no nitrites but nitrates were a bit high, pH perfect.
<Good.>
Did a 50% water change (nitrates better), deep cleaned tank, threw out all old
plants, washed & put in new decos & will do smaller water changes every other
day for the next week & basically hope for the best.
<Sometimes all you can do/need to do.>
Thank you again.
Rita~
<Most welcome. Neale.>
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Sick Betta, need advice (RMF, I'm going with Costia; you?)
<A good guess. RMF> 4/11/14
Hello!
I was given your email by Timbra Newbury. She has been helping me with
my Betta, Eugene and is out of ideas. She suggested that I email you
guys and tell you what has been going on and see if you have any ideas
or advice. I guess I'll start with the basics first...
I have Eugene in a 10 gallon tank with Mopani driftwood and fake plants
(until the summer when I have time to actually learn how to do real
plants). I started out with the Marineland 10 gallon setup. Back in
October or November I noticed 2 white spots on Eugene's side. I'm sad to
say that it took me until about early December to figure out what the
cause was. I finally realized the spots matched where Eugene was
sleeping against the heater. He was acting completely normal and I had
asked someone at one of the local fish stores about it and they told me
the pigment had probable just been burned and he would be fine. In the
middle of December, I was away for about a month and my roommate was
taking care of Eugene. When I got back in January, there were 2 small
lumps on the white spots (one lump per spot). He was still acting
normal, so I just figured he had been burned even more. So I bought some
plants to cover the heater and a Betta hammock for him to sleep on.
Neither of those worked, so I searched the internet for other solutions
and for what to do for heater burns. The only thing I could find was
that heaters should not burn a fish, even if they are sleeping against
it. I then figured the heater was malfunctioning somehow, so I bought a
Fluval. He no longer sleeps on the heater, so that's good.
Then a few of his scales turned black, so I decided I should show a
picture to my local fish store and see what they suggested. They
suggested I use Melafix, so I did. I think I had about 1 more treatment
of that and it still didn't look any better, so I posted a picture of
Eugene on a fish group on Facebook asking for suggestions, and that's
how Timbra got involved.
Timbra told me the Melafix was bad for Anabantoids, so I immediately
stopped using that and I gradually did a 100% water change that night.
Timbra suggested I use Furan 2, so I got some of that and did a full
course of treatment of it. The appearance of the infection did not
change, but he started to act like he was feeling a lot better (I hadn't
realized how different he was acting until he started to feel better).
Anyhow, Timbra said the appearance may not change right away since the
medicine was getting rid of the infection so that his body could begin
to heal. Fast forward 2 weeks and the white lumps were getting bigger
and it looked like one of his scales was falling off. This time Timbra
recommended that I use a combination of Furan 2 and Kanamycin. Last
night was the last does of the Furan 2 and tonight will be the last dose
of the Kanamycin, and the lumps have not changed and he's still getting
tossed around by the filter current. I know Bettas typically have
trouble with filter currents, but his favorite thing to do is swim
through the current (he's also a half-moon plakat, so he doesn't have
the long fins). He used to hover just in front of the current and build
up some speed and then shoot through the current and turn around and do
it again, he'd repeat this about 4 or 5 times until he got tired out.
Now, when he swims through the current he gets pushed forward by it and
he tries to avoid the strongest spot as much as possible.
His appetite has never decreased though, he's actually a giant piggy and
would eat an endless amount of bloodworms if I let him.
I'm going to send you another email after this with some pictures
attached to it. Unfortunately the pictures that I have are all on my
iPod touch and I'm not very tech savvy, so I can't figure out how to get
them on my laptop. I normally would have just sent an email from the
iPod, but this is a book and would have taken me forever to write on
that. So, I'm sorry for sending you 2 emails rather than 1. And thank
you for any advice you might have.
-Jen
<Hello Jennifer. My gut reaction here is the disease commonly called
Costia or Slime Disease, caused by ciliate parasites such as
Chilodonella and Ichthyobodo spp. Costia manifests itself as
accumulating patches of slime on the flanks, sometimes alongside obvious
inflammation, with secondary bacterial infections (effectively, Finrot)
setting into the wounds. It's a tough disease to treat. In some cases,
transferring fish to half-strength to full-strength saltwater for
extended periods (days, weeks) will do the trick on its own since the
parasites come in either seawater or freshwater strains and can't adapt
to the "wrong" salinity. But this is only an option with
seawater-tolerant things like Mollies and certain cichlids. Dipping in
seawater (effectively 35 gram salt dissolved in 1 litre of aquarium
water) still makes a useful dip though, for 2-20 minutes depending on
the tolerance of your fish. This helps to clear the slime and weaken the
parasites. Bettas have low tolerance, so shorter periods of time would
be used there. Longer periods work with salt-tolerant things like
puffers and livebearers. If you're doing dips though you'll need a
medication as well.
Very often, anti-Whitespot/Ick medications work well against Costia, but
you may need to use two or three "rounds" of treatment to finally beat
it, and if a bacterial infection has set in as well, a suitable
anti-Finrot antibacterial medication of your choice. If the disease is
really well entrenched, Whitespot medication might not work, in which
case you'll need to use Formalin, but this is very nasty stuff, both for
you and the fish, so is a last-ditch option. It's a good sign your fish
is still eating, and while Costia looks pretty nasty, it doesn't seem to
cause rapid decline in the health of the
fish, giving you sufficient time to fix things. A while
back I wrote a piece for FishChannel
that might offer some more insight into
Costia and its management; see here:
http://www.fishchannel.com/fish-health/freshwater-conditions/slime-disease.a
spx
Cheers, Neale.>
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Re: Sick Betta, need advice (RMF, I'm going with Costia;
you?) 4/15/14
Hi Neale-
<Jennifer,>
Thank you so much for getting right back to me. I'm sorry it's taken me
so long to get back to you. My weekends are pretty crazy because I work
20 hours between Saturday and Sunday and have school work on top of
that. At any rate, I just want to make sure I completely understand
everything you've told me before I do any treatments just in case. I
tried to click
the link to the Fish Channel article, the site said it didn't exist. I
did however, find a list of all the articles you wrote for them and read
the one you wrote about slime disease (which is what I'm assuming the
link was supposed to take me to).
<Yes, when pasted across to the Daily FAQ page there was an error, which
I've now fixed.>
Now as for treatment products... I bought Rid-Ich Plus by Kordon for
Ich.
I'm a little worried about it though, as it has Formaldehyde in it and I
didn't see that until I got home. Will that be okay to use?
<Formaldehyde is safe to use if used precisely as directed. But some
fish, especially oddballs, catfish and loaches, react badly to it. Most
community fish (barbs, tetras, gouramis, etc.) are fine though. Just
observe the fish carefully, read the instructions before use, and if
necessary, remove sensitive fish to another aquarium.>
I also got some Instant Ocean sea salt rather than aquarium salt because
from what I gathered, the water needs the be of marine quality.
Although, I am not sure if there is a difference between aquarium salt
and sea salt, I just figured I should get what you use for saltwater
aquariums.
<Well, there is a big difference. Marine aquarium salt is a mix of
sodium chloride (what we call "table salt") and other chemicals that
harden the water, raise the pH, and provide important trace elements for
the corals.
Tonic or freshwater salt is simply sodium chloride, much like you'd put
on food, but without the iodine added. You can actually use non-iodised
cooking salts (such as kosher salt) to treat fish. In all probability
you can use marine salt without problems, but if your water was very
soft and acidic before, you may find the pH and hardness go up, and if
by a large
amount, that's a potential stress on your fish.>
The actual treatment portion is where I may have gotten a bit confused
and want to make 100% sure on. If I understand correctly, I am to do 2
minute (at most anyhow) salt dips, with 35 grams of salt per 1 liter of
water and 2-3 courses of Ich treatment.
<Yes; add the Ick treatment to the aquarium, but winkle out the sick
Betta, dip him into the salty water, and keep him there for a couple of
minutes before putting him back into his aquarium.>
I'm unsure of the antibiotics though since I just completed a course of
Furan 2 and Kanamycin. Should I still use erythromycin and how can I
tell if there is an infection?
<You really can't. But if you use a general purpose antibiotic and your
fish gets better, then probably the fish did have a bacterial infection
of some sort.>
You mentioned fin rot as a potential infection, but his fins do not look
like they have fin rot and I don't know what it would look like on other
parts of his body, or if they can get it anywhere else other than their
fins.
<Absolutely. Finrot is simply called that because it's an infection of
the fins. But the bacteria that cause it -- Aeromonas and Pseudomonas
spp for the most part -- can affect all parts of the body of your fish,
inside and out.>
Also, how many salt dips do I do?
<I'd do one first, then observe the fish for the next couple of days. If
all is good, you can dip again, leaving 2-3 days before each dip.
Unlikely you'd need to do more than 1-3 dips if the medicine is
helping.>
Should I expect an obvious sign of this clearing up, such as the white
patches and lumps going away?
<Yes; the dip should shift a lot of the cloudiness quickly. Thereafter
you should find over the successive days that the underlying oddness of
the skin clears up too.>
Or will it be more subtle? If it is subtle, what should I expect or keep
an eye out for? Thank you so much for all of your help, I truly
appreciate it.
Sorry for all of the questions as well, I am fairly new to all of this
and this is the first real health issue I have ever dealt with.
<Glad to hear it! Must be keeping your fish well.>
-Jen
<Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Sick Betta, need advice (RMF, I'm going with Costia;
you?) 4/15/14
Thank you so much. I will start the treatment right away.
<Most welcome, Neale.>
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Postmortem opinion, Costiasis?
1/29/11
Hey Crew,
<R>
Do you recall that angelfish I had that claimed the
entire tank as his territory?
<Somewhat>
Two days after eliminating the last attempt at a same-species tankmate,
he developed a white coating over the dorsal third of his body,
including fogged eyes.
<!?>
His behavior changed also. Formerly, the fish shimmied at the glass
begging for food whenever I approached the tank, but after developing
this, the fish became a hider. After spending some quality time with
Manual of Fish Health (Andrews, Excell and Carrington) I deduced that
this was sliminess of the skin.
<But from what cause/s?>
The book recommended treatment akin to treating white spot, which I
followed.
<Could be Costia>
After 4 days treatment I saw little or no improvement and the fish
started bumping into the glass, though not into opaque objects. At that
point, I decided that I must have guessed wrong on the ailment and
would change tactics to an antibiotic treatment.
<Mmm, of no use here>
I performed a 75% water change to remove as much of the white spot meds
as possible and put the activated carbon back into the filter to get
the rest.
A few hours later, the fish behaved as if completely blind and had
tightened its caudal, dorsal, and anal fins around themselves. I want
to use the word clamped but these fins were not against the body and
the pectoral fins were fine. I think he was trying to swim to wherever
the light was, maybe interpreting his near blindness as night.
With these symptoms, I decided I didn't have the option of waiting,
and added tetracycline, which I chose over erythromycin because the
package described the tetracycline as treating the symptoms. The fish
continued to degrade until I found it on the substrate the next
morning.
I'm assuming the disease came from the last fish he killed, though
I didn't see any sign of cannibalizing.
Any ideas on what I might have been battling?
--
Rick Novy
<Do you have other fishes present? Symptoms? Do read on the Net re
Costiasis.
Bob Fenner>
Re: Postmortem opinion 1/30/11
Hi Bob.
<Rick>
The book I referenced did suggest it was probably Costia, for which my
initial treatment seems to have been the correct one. No idea why the
treatment was ineffective.
<Unfortunately this does happen>
I had no other fish present but I did restock with two new angels after
an additional 50% water change.
<I see>
Since these are the only animals in the tank I'm quarantining them
in the permanent tank. My plan is to allow them to acclimate for a
couple days then sequentially give a prophylactic parasite, bacterial,
and fungus treatments (in that order) through what would normally be
the quarantine month.
<Wow! Good to be cautious though>
On the brighter side, my Endler and Betta tanks are humming along
splendidly.
Rick
<Ah, good. BobF>
Re: Postmortem opinion, FW Angel, Costiasis
1/30/11
Hi Bob,
<R>
Thanks for the response. Unfortunately, it seems that some of the
information I dug up on the net was incorrect--specifically, that
Costia cannot survive without a host for more than a couple of
hours.
<... agreed. This parasite can live for days, likely weeks under
propitious circumstances>
Lost one of the new additions already. Still trying to save the other
but I'm not hopeful. I intend to try a salt water dip tomorrow per
Neale's write up.
If he passes, I want to get the tank cleaned up before trying again to
restock.
Do I need to tear it down to bare bones and sterilize everything with
pool chlorine solution like I did with the Camallanus worm tank, or can
I just run an empty tank with some Rid Ich+ for a few days? (It's
an old tank and the silicone is already stained, so no problem with
staining.)
I particularly want to save the substrate since it's planted
substrate.
<Mmmm... You/I'd try the more lenient approach here for now.
B>
Re: Postmortem opinion 1/31/11
Lenient approach meaning empty tank with Rid Ich+? Or if the tank is
vacant maybe crank up the temperature and salinity for a week?
<Or two>
Rick
Re: Postmortem opinion... 1/31/11
Tank is now empty. I'm putting the heater to max and upping the
salinity.
Probably won't attempt to restock until March.
I seem to have the worst luck when it comes to buying fish with
complimentary diseases thrown in as a bonus.
Rick
<Asi es la vida. B>
What does my pictus catfish have? & Costia/Protozoan FW
dis f' 3/1/10
Hi Guys! I love your site...lots of good information. I have a well
established 55 gallon freshwater community tank (1 giant Pleco, Danios,
3 Goramis, 1 upside down catfish, 2 clown loaches and 2 pictus catfish)
Everybody seems very content, but I have noticed in just the past two
days that one of my pictus is not doing too well. His typical shiny
skin has become dull and his markings are not as vivid.
<Do check he isn't bullied, and that the aquarium conditions are
optimal for the species. They can become a little duller with age, but
should always look silvery and alert. Excessive slime production can
dull their colours, and this is often a sign of stress, whether social
or environmental. Diet needs to be sufficiently varied too, with
particular importance placed on balance. Pimelodus pictus is a
predator, but this doesn't mean live fish should be used. Feeder
fish are a great way to introduce all sorts of bacterial and parasite
problems. Thiaminase is another issue with predators, and if you've
used too many prawns and mussels, and not enough foods that don't
have thiaminase, you can create problems in the long term with vitamin
B1 deficiency. It seems fairly apparent that this is a big problem with
predatory fish.>
I have been looking carefully for any kind of fuzziness or
"soft" look, thinking it may possibly be a fungal infection,
but his skin appears to be smooth, just cloudy and dull looking.
<Difficult to say, though I'd be aware of Costia ("Slime
Disease") as this tends to cause excessive mucous production.
It's contagious and difficult to cure once established. But still,
I'd nudge my thoughts towards stress, particularly if this fish is
otherwise in good health.>
I am very hesitant to use any kind of medication in the tank for fear
it will do more harm than good. Do you have any recommendations? As
much as I would hate to do it, I would rather euthanize this fish than
jeopardize the rest of my tank (many of these fish are 7+ years old).
This tank has good aeration (bubbler, 60G filter, and a powerhead),
temp runs @ 79 degrees, nitrate less than 10ppm, nitrite 0, hardness
(GH) 75 ppm, alkalinity and pH chronically run a tad low..KH 60ppm and
pH about 6.5.
Any advice you have would be great!
Thanks
Heather
<The low pH and low hardness, does make me worry that instability
with regard to water chemistry might be a factor. Your tank is also far
too warm for this species. Like most Pimelodidae, Pimelodus pictus
prefers fairly cool water, around 22-24 C/72-75 F, much like things
like Neons and Corydoras. This is a general issue with South American
fish, far too many people overheating them, and in the long term, this
can cause problems. So, without a photo can't say anything
specific, but hope there are a few things for you to think about.
Cheers, Neale.>
Re: What does my pictus catfish have? 3/1/10
Thanks so much for your quick reply!
<Happy to help.>
This pictus seems to otherwise be healthy...eating well with no
abnormal behavior.
<Good.>
I think you are right; this probably is due to the water pH and
hardness being a bit low.
<Okay.>
I am currently treating the tank to bring those up a bit and he is
already looking a little better.
<Good.>
As far as the Costia, what are the preferred methods to try to treat
it? I know that scaleless fish like the pictus and loaches are super
sensitive, and if I ever had to treat for it I would like to know how
to go about it.
<Either salt (a combination of dips and constant exposure in the
aquarium) or some proprietary medication. The former is perhaps best
with catfish.>
Also, in regard to food, what foods do you recommend to prevent the B1
deficiency?
<Do read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_6/volume_6_1/thiaminase.htm
In general, if your catfish is mostly eating pellets and wet-frozen
bloodworms, this isn't going to be an issue. But predatory fish
that just eat seafood and fish need to be handled with a bit more
care.>
I am so glad your website is out there...it is astounding how hard it
is to get the right information for maintaining healthy tanks...even
the companies that manufacture the goods don't seem to be sure
about what is actually good for fish!
Thanks again
Heather
<You're welcome. Cheers, Neale.>
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