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What happened to my LTA, Macrodactyla doreensis and my Shrimp, Lysmata debelius, Lysmata amboinensis? -- 5/20/07 I am having problems with my saltwater tank. It consisted of 2 Macrodactyla doreensis, <<Two?! No! RMF>> 2 Amphiprion percula, 1 Lysmata amboinensis, and 2 Lysmata debelius. It all started when one of the LTA incased itself and would show no tentacles. Soon after, one of the Lysmata debelius died. I tested the water (Ammonia: 0.50ppm, <<Danger Will Robinson! RMF>> Nitrite: 0ppm, Nitrate: 10-15ppm, pH: 8.0-8.2) and did a water change. <What is the temperature, salinity, alkalinity, and tank size? How long have you had each of these animals?> I pulled the incased LTA and put him in another tank, he was dead the next morning. The Lysmata amboinensis and the other Lysmata debelius were also dead that morning in the other tank. I tested the water again and got the same readings I then did another water change. The fish seem to be doing fine and the other LTA seems to be hanging on for right now. I just don't know where to go from here. I checked everything, filter is running fine, I don't over feed the tank, and the tank has been established for 2-3 years. <What have you been feeding the anemones? Are you dosing the tank with anything?> Is it one of those mysteries I may never solve? <Possibly> Thank you for any input that you have. <You're welcome!> You guys all do a great job! <Thank you! Brenda>
Unhappy Anemone 9/16/06 Hi Crew!! I think I have a very sad anemone (red long tipped). It has moved all over the place, it went from the light to hiding under some rocks. I doesn't open very much any more. I purchased it early July. I have T-5 lighting, Berlin protein skimmer, 2 power heads to circulate the water. For fish I have clownfish, yellow tang, emerald crabs, hermit crabs, 2- cleaner shrimp, royal Gramma, coral Gramma? ( I think that is what it is), green star polyp, candy cane coral, red mushrooms. I tested first Sept PH 8.2, Nitrate 5, nitrite 0.1 ammonia 0 , calcium 420-440, alkalinity 3. I do a 5 gallon water change weekly and add 1 cap iodine and strontium & molybdenum. Am I doing something wrong that is causing the LTA to be in distress. I was also having trouble with my mushrooms. They were flat to the rock, also look like they had white dots on them. I think I had them to close to the light I moved them to the bottom of the tank. They now seem to lift up like they have life to them now. But if you have any suggestions for them as well I will certainly appreciate it. Thanks hope to hear from you soon. Thanks for all your suggestions Janice <<Janice: My LTA is under 400W SE MH lighting. Normally, people don't add such additives to the water. Assuming your anemone has enough light, you should be feeding it. Are you? I feed mine 1/2 of a silverside every few days. Best of luck, Roy>> LTA/Health/Systems - 06/07/2006 Hi, <Hello Charity>
I was reading through your anemone FAQs and came across the advice to
never buy a white anemone. <Think it meant a bleached anemone.> I
was at the local fish store and had been researching and wanting a LTA
for a while. Somehow I missed that advice before. I have a: 55 gallon
long aquarium Wet/dry Excalibur skimmer 1 pygmy bicolor angel (6 months
in tank) 1 maroon clownfish (3 yrs in tank) 1 yellow tang (
1 year in tank) 1 hippo tang (1 inch, 1 year in tank) 4 turbo snails 1
rock of mushrooms 1 green star polyp 1 Montipora orange 2 strips of
coral life 65 *2 50/50 lights (260 w) 1 strip of 40 watt no fluorescent
lights Ammonia:0 Nitrite: 0 Nitrate 10 ppm but did have a spike the
night he was added. We did a 30 gallon water change that night.
Calcium: 380 (slowly raising it up) Ph: ranges from 8.0 to 8.2 I have
included pictures showing the decline over the last few days. Is there
any chance of survival? I feed him silversides. The first night he took
it immediately to his mouth. It has gotten slower over the last couple
of days but he does still eat. <For starters, never attempt feeding
an anemone until he anchors down and blooms. None of the pics indicate
an anchoring took place.> Any advice you could provide would be
wonderful! <It is not recommended having fish other than clowns in
the company of anemones. Also looks like water flow may be a
little low. Is your total flow at least 600gph? I
will post a link or tow here for you to read along with related links
above. Will provide a link with info on their care,
requirements and keeping. Do read along with related
articles shown above title. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/inverts/cnidaria/anthozoa/anemones.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/macrodoreensis.htm>
Thanks! <You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Charity <<James... where's the original msg., pix?
RMF>> LTA behavior, health, systems 2/2/06 Hi guys! wonderful site, great advice! Like many before me and very unfortunately many after me in July 2005 I made an impulse purchase, I purchased a long tentacle anemone. Everything was fine till about a month ago. Here are parts "article" I wrote for my website (to read it all www.homereefkeeping.com) it will explain my predicament: <Thank you for this> We bought an anemone in July of 2005. We got our Long Tentacle Anemone (LTA with a bright red stock) along with 2 True Percula Clownfish. The first mistake we made was not researching anemones and finding out how to care for them prior to making our purchase. Our second mistake was buying it on impulse. <Very common> It lived in it's cave for a while it would expand and half went from a pale cream color to a 'dusky pink', the other half being sheltered from the bright metal halides stayed the pale cream color. In mid October it moved from the cave to an opening in the rock on the left hand side of the tank. It would expand to the size of a typical dinner plate. We would feed it medium/large sized (about 1/3 of a shrimp) pieces of raw, thawed shrimp every 5 days or so.. It would take the food readily, fold back on itself, and would ingest the food given. The entire anemone turned a healthy 'dusky pink' <Yes... thank goodness energy/food provided by you through feeding... inadequate light response> Today's date is January 28, 2006 and since December (unfortunately I did not keep records, or dates) the anemone had been acting 'strange' for the last month. It would no longer expand fully, it had become difficult to feed, would retract on itself. It hasn't completely lost it's color. <Yes, bleaching...> Approximately 5 days ago the anemone 'fell' through the rocks, for about a day it hid under the rockwork; 3 days ago it moved to the back of the tank where it has been laying on its side. I thought it had died and tried to move it only to find out that it has attached itself solidly onto one of the rocks. For the last 2 days I've been feeding the anemone shrimp (that I put through the blender) and Mysis with a turkey baster. Here's where opinion vary; where I had read to feed the anemone large meaty chunks, on another site it said to feed it small shredded pieces of 'meat'. After a bit of consideration and seeing what we'd been through with our anemone I am most certainly starting to think that the shredded option makes a lot of sense. If you feed pieces of food that are too large the anemone cannot digest them and slowly expels the food. Thus making the anemone slowly starve, and all the while you think you've been feeding it. <Mmm, as long as the food is taken, ingested...> Well we are now Jan 31st, the anemone has gone back under rocks where I can't get to it's mouth, it inflated it's stock huge today and seemed the have some kind of line down the middle, now (4hrs later) it's slowly deflated itself. yesterday I saw its oral cavity and it was huge, much bigger than I'd ever seen it, today I can't see it so I don't know. Because it's under rocks I can't tell for the life of me if it's splitting, dying or just taking me for a ride on a nasty roller coaster (worried it's dying, then it looks "ok" then it disappears) Has anyone ever seen an anemone split? <Oh yes> How does it act before splitting? <Sometimes "out of the ordinary"... often not> what else could be wrong with it? <... a lack of light, circulation, metabolite poisoning, a dearth of biomineral, alkalinity...> I have a 65 gallon tank, 80lbs of Live sand, 120lbs of LR, a galaxy coral, a frogspawn coral, <... Oh, and allelopathy... chemical competition. These animals are problematic in the same water> 2 true Percs, a lawnmower blenny, 2 cleaner shrimp, scarlet crabs, blue legged crabs and an assortment of snails. The shrimp molt almost every 2 weeks. My water parameters are as follows : ammonia: 0, nitrite: 0 nitrate:0 phosphates:0-0.5 (gha prob...) ph: 8.0 to 8.3 depending on the time of day, temp: 79F salinity: 1.025 other than a drop in phosphates the water has been stable since it cycled in May 2005 I have a protein skimmer, 3 powerheads, a PhosBan/ROWAphos fluidizer (long cylindrical thing for active carbon and phosphate remover) up until 3 days ago had a Eheim canister filter (stopped it to see if it was the cause of high phosphates and my phosphates have dropped from 0.5 to 0) Thank you for all your help Catherine <Needs to be in a different system (w/o the Oculinid, Euphylliid) and more light... at least. Bob Fenner> Anemone acting strangely... LTA in a ten gallon...
1/31/06 Hi there, Fist of all, I should say
that I've read over a lot of the already answered postings, and I
can't find something that sounds just like the issue I'm having
with my LTA. I'm sorry if you already have answered
this, though, and maybe I'm just using the wrong search
keywords. <Possibly... but may not be there. WWM will
never be "done"> Anyways, about my anemone. I
purchased a gorgeous LTA from the LFS a little less than a week
ago. The man at the store told me to make sure I have strong
circulation around the anemone, feed it silversides, and make sure to
change my 96-watt bulbs if they are over a year old. I did
change my bulbs (they were about two years old) and made sure all
circulation was strong (I even added a powerhead and bubble
wall). I slowly acclimated the anemone through about a one
and a half hour acclimation of adding small amounts of my water to the
bag water. <Were the new/old water qualities about the same?>
The anemone moved around the tank for several days <A
bad sign> until it finally settled in two days ago between some live
rock. It inflated quite nicely and my clownfish seemed to
show signs of accepting it (he was nudging it and laying on
it). I then fed it a light feeding of brine shrimp just to
see if it would eat--it accepted it willingly. Then,
yesterday morning, the anemone had moved again and looked absolutely
horrible. It was laying on it's side, the tentacles were
shriveled and limp looking, and there were large globs of slime and
large, black, curled looking balls coming out of the anemone's
mouth. <Very bad sign> I called the fish store and
they said it was most liking ridding itself of waste. <<Nope; dying>> Today
it has moved again and still looks the same (more black balls have
appeared and it's difficult to discern the
tentacles). My question is, is it ridding itself of waste or
is it dying? <A bit of both> I have a ten gallon
aquarium (yes, I know 10-gallons are dangerous, <... not able to
sustain this animal> but I have very stable conditions with 8.2 pH,
0 ammonia, nitrite, and 0-10 nitrates), 96-watt 50/50 PC lamp, strong
filtration with a Skilter, powerhead, and bubble wall, and about 20-30
lbs of live rock. The temperature stays steady at about
82º. The tank is about 2.5 years old and has had
a clownfish and coral banded shrimp living in it happily the entire
time. Should I get the anemone out, or will it revive
itself? <Too likely it is dying, will take the rest of
your livestock with it... This animal may well have not been
well-adjusted from wild-collection, had troubles no matter what was
done with it, but placing it in such a small volume... very small
chance of success. Bob Fenner> Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks, ~Jonathon LTA Injured >Dear Crew: >>Dear Angie, using
Jeffrey's email.. Marina here. >I have a 44 pent saltwater tank
w/an undergravel filter/Power Sweep 228 powerhead, Eheim Classic 2217,
JBJ power compact lighting (1 36w actinic, 1 36w 10K), 1 15w
Marine-Glo, and a crushed shell base. The depth is 22".
>>Ok. Since this question, I'm assuming, is about
a long tentacle anemone, I'm wondering why you've gone with an
undergravel filter (assuming you're new to saltwater).
>Currently, I have about 15 lbs of live rock, 1 Gorgonia, 1
flowerpot coral w/barnacles (these look like skeletal hands, it's
really cool), 1 Montipora w/button polyps, a large hunk of Porites,
some mushrooms, Ricordea, and what I think to be "waving
hands" coral (growing like crazy). >>That would
probably be Xenia. >I also have a panther grouper, a Fiji damsel, a
cleaner shrimp, a red fire shrimp and a curlicue anemone that I've
had for 2 years. >>You've had *that* mix of fish for two
years??? I would expect the panther (which is in a pitifully
small tank for its ultimate adult size) to begin slurping up what fits
in its mouth as soon as it thinks they'll fit. >All are doing
great! Ph is 8.4, salinity is 1.025, temp is
76, no ammonia, 'trites or 'trates. (Pods and
serpent stars are throughout substrate and live
rock.) Recently, I added an LTA and noticed that its pedicle
was damaged (don't know if it was during collection or bagging at
the fish store). >>Uh oh.. rough handling, bad juju.
>It looks like a white ragged rip about 1/4" long across the
foot, which is 3" in diameter. It wants to anchor but
won't/can't (it seems to hover over the substrate, not quite
off, but not quite in) The coloring is great and otherwise
seems healthy. Is this anemone doomed or is there a way I
can facilitate its healing? (I plan on upgrading the lighting to 2 55w
PC bulbs instead of the 2 36w PCs within the next month.) >>Glad
to hear you're going to upgrade that lighting. I
strongly suggest you set up a small (ten gallons should do) hospital
tank, and line it with well-washed Astroturf (yes,
Astroturf!). This helps removal once the anemone has
healed. I would line all surfaces (remember, you don't
have to fill the tank all the way up with water) with the
turf. From here you have two choices; you can either keep
water quality pristine as you do in your main and observe, or you can
begin treating with Spectrogram. In either case, handle the
animal with care. >Your site is incredible, one of the most
informative I have ever seen on the web. Thank you in
advance! Angie S. >>Thank you, and you're
welcome. I do hope this helps. Marina
LTA quarantine I have searched your info and can't seem to find quarantine procedure for anemones, if their is one. <Here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/anempt2.htm> I have bought a LTA and the LFS is holding it until I find out a correct quarantine procedure--I seem to know more about fish than the LFS if you catch my drift--which is scary. I consistently quarantine my new fish and would like some help on this anemone. Please advise. Thanks <Bob Fenner> Long tentacle anemone who isn't happy Hello and thanks for the great info on your web site. I have an LTA who has been in my 38 gallon reef tank for 2 months. Initially, when I introduced it, it took over a week to settle in and bury its foot. Since then it has been healthy, eating small pieces of frozen (thawed) shrimp, and interacting well with my tomato clown fish. About a week ago its tentacles retracted and it has almost buried itself in the substrate in a small cave area under a piece of live rock. It is mostly in the shade and does not open up much during the day, but closes entirely during the night. Its tentacles have been almost gone for about 1 week now and I am very concerned for its health. <You should be> I know that my tank is small for an anemone, but my water quality is good: Nitrates and nitrites are 0, phosphates are 0.25 to 0, calcium is 380, pH is 8.3-8.4, and I have 110 W PC lighting and 60 W NO fluorescent lighting. Is there anything I can do to help my anemone? Thanks so much. Kevin England <Take the long read through our coverage on this and other large anemone's use in aquariums... Much could be amiss here... for instance, a mis-mix with other cnidarians... Bob Fenner> Anemone question! 7/24/05 Greetings -- seems like there's a ton of people asking questions about anemones. I'm now one of them! <People usually house them inappropriately (i.e.. keeping them in reef tanks) so they tend to have a lot of problems with them> I picked up a long tentacle from the local fish store about two weeks ago. He's huge, and has looked great in the tank. I fed him a small bit of krill -- under 1/4", from what I've read on the site. I feed him generally every four days. <Sounds good> Anyway, when I went to work this morning I noticed he looked a little smaller, but not a big deal. When I got home, he looked completely dead; no water in tentacles at all, wasn't gripping the rock anymore (had fallen over on its side), etc. Huge red base was just sitting out in the open. The mouth wasn't open though. I checked water parameters and things looked fine (temperature holds steady at 80-82 degrees in the tank all day. The LFS was closed at this point so I figured I'd have to wait until tomorrow. I went out to the store and came back and noticed its mouth was now open basically all the way, and that it looks like it spit something out... a brownish substance. I've propped him up between a bunch of rocks, and dug a hole in the sand for him so that he'll stand up... but I don't know what else to do. It keeps trying to stand up; some of the tentacles will inflate, and it'll rise up several inches from the base, then fall back down again. If I prop it back up between rocks, it repeats the cycle and just gets taller and taller until it flops over again. <Sounds like it's on the verge of death, sorry to say> I have no other anemones, and the tank has been running for about a year and a half. None of the fish are picking at it that I've seen. I have a leather coral on the other side of the tank that appears to still be doing well. The tank is a 36g bowfront. I don't have a protein skimmer. Lighting is 130W PC (one true actinic). <You have nowhere near enough lighting. Next time, ask questions first, purchase second> Any clues? I know it's hard to explain without pictures and without being here to see it, but I just find it weird that it would have died that quickly. <I don't. Improper collection, improper acclimation, stress, low energy reserves, combined with poor lighting> I just checked my water parameters again; the water doesn't smell but my alkalinity and nitrates are way above normal (pH 7.8, alkalinity 260, nitrites < 0.5 ppm, nitrates 100 ppm). <Well that explains the death right there. Horrible water quality - your pH should be ~8.2+ at night, nitrites should be 0, nitrates should be less than 5ppm measured as nitrate ion> I'm going to do a water change tomorrow and see if that cures those problems (can't do it tonight, no supplies, it's midnight). <Please do, and please read further about the husbandry of marine aquariums. Look into your filtration/water circulation> Thanks <No problem. With proper conditions, anemones can outlive their owners, but those conditions do need to be met. A few weeks of diligent reading should ready you, and give you time to get your tank in order> - Will <M. Maddox> More Anemone Woes'¦ 9/23/05 <Adam J here.> Bryan here and I must first say that this is the best informative website I have found on marine life, keep it up you guys are the best! <Yeah I like this place too.> My question is about 2 LTA's I have in my 55gal, these are the only two inverts in the tank and not sure exactly how there health is. First tank conditions Ammonia-0 Nitrite-0 Nitrate-12 <Try getting this as close to zero as possible, increasing the frequency of water changes is the easiest way.> Ph-8.5 Salinity-1.022 Temp-77 Substrate-crushed coral SeaClone 100 skimmer 330 BioWheel MaxiJet 900 powerhead <You may want to add a few more of these.> Lighting- 2ea 15w Actinic 03 blue, 2ea 15w Actinic full spectrum lights (I hope tomorrow I will be adding 1 ea 110w Actinic 03 blue light and 1 ea Aquasun 110w white light (both are VHO bulbs) <More lighting is definitely needed, as the current scheme is highly insufficient for the anemones, if they continue to be subjected to this they will meet a quick demise, so yes please upgrade.> 40lbs live rock (just coming to life, started them as base rock, but have awesome coralline growing now) 15 hermits 1-Clarkii, 1-yellowtail damsel, 1-purple Anthias, and 1-yellow tang (very small and will move as he get older) <Glad to hear it.> Anyhow, the blue LTA I placed in the middle of the tank on a rock, overnight it move down the rock to a spot in between three rocks where there is water flow, but not very strong and not in the brightness area of the tank (can't see if it foot is buried or not). This does puzzled me because right now lighting levels is not where it needs to be. <Not really puzzling at all, the anemone is doing what comes naturally, moving to the substrate in which it can hide its 'foot.'> The Clarkii has taken to it very well, in fact, unless he is coming out of the LTA at night he has not come out for 2 days, not even to eat. <You can use a turkey-baster to direct food to him.> The colors look fine, but is there a chance it's dying? <Without food and light'¦.yes it will eventually die.> I am not sure it is eating since the Clarkii will not leave. I started feeding it ChromaPlex and also use iodine supplements. <I would use 'heavier' meats of a marine origin, (i.e. squid and krill).> On to the green/purple LTA, from the time I put this one in, it went from being 4" to pretty much closing up. I can't tell if it is moving or if it is just the current pushing it around. I gave it a little help by placing next to two rocks, but still nothing, just laying on the bottom on it's side. <Not a good sign.> Until my slow shipment of lighting arrives which was suppose to be here before the LTA's, I have place a Halogen light next to the tank shining in LTA direction, is this a bad idea? <Better than nothing.> I also notice that it's mouth stays open for extended periods of time, and occasionally the base inflates for awhile than deflates. What is going on with this LTA? <Likely in a slow demise at the moment.> Should I move the LTA to a hospital tank where I can provide 3-4w per gal? Until my other fixtures arrive? <Moving the animal may further stress it, leave it be for now.> Also the foot on both LTA's look fine when placed in the tank and still do (bright orange/red). Should I be worried? <Well to be honest these anemones rarely acclimate and thrive in captivity, for the average hobbyist I rarely see them live longer than 2-3 months, they do best in shallow tanks with a DSB in which to bury their foot. They also prefer 'intense' lighting. To give them the best chance, keep water quality pristine and target feed 1-2 times weekly. Furthermore having two in a 55 gallon is not a good idea, I have seen up to 30' in diameter. Please read in the LTA FAQ's for more detail http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ltafaqs.htm .> Thanks Bryan <Adam J.> Long Tentacle Tangled Anemone 10/11/05 Greetings and thank you for such a great site! <Hello, and thank you for the kind words.> I purchased 1 LT anemone a few days ago and have been very concerned with its health. Several of the little critter's tentacles appear to be tangled within one another. Imagine long clown balloons used for making balloon animals. The poor little tentacles seem to be tied up in this very fashion! I have observed 2 separate spots involving about 4 tentacles each. It almost seems like there is some fiber constricting these little clusters! <It may appear to be tangled but I can assure you that this is not a problem. They will never be sticking up from the base at a 90 degree angle swaying in perfect unison as a popular cartoon would suggest.> Additionally, it seems to have a difficult time staying "stuck" in its spot. <Anemones often have trouble adjusting to captive environments. It may still be finding the spot it wants.> It will appear to be stuck into the crushed coral only to roll over a few hours later and then recover once again. Should I attempt to move it to a rock for better "hold" and/or lighting? <No you can damage it in this way, furthermore the Long Tentacle Anemone is properly placed in the sand bed and not the rock work.> Its mouth is closed and it tentacles are inflated (save the "tangled" ones). I have a 55 G tank w/ 55 pounds of live rock Emperor 400 and Aqua Clear 70 Berlin Air Lift skimmer <You may want to upgrade this eventually, if its working out and you have no nutrient problems then disregard this.> Two 65 watt 10,000K and two 65 watt True Actinic compact fluorescent Lamps <These may be inadequate for the anemone, monitor it for signs of bleaching and be sure to feed it once per week.> All test show levels at 0 (Ammonia, Nitrate, Nitrite) pH hovering at 8.1-8.2 Any help you could give me is much appreciated. <Read here http://www.wetwebmedia.com/macrodoreensis.htm, and read the linked FAQ's as well.> Brooke <Adam J.> LTA deflated Tentacles / Cyano Problems 11/7/05 Good
Afternoon, I have a couple of questions regarding my 55g reef. I
believe I may have a problem with my tank as I am experiencing some
Cyano problems. Currently my water parameters are as follows: Salinity
1.026 pH 8.2 Ammonia .5 -1 <Trouble> Nitrite 0 Nitrate 0
Phosphate 0 KH 10 My anemone will open it's mouth everyday
expelling a slimy substance and it's tentacles are deflated. <A
good clue... something is amiss> It seems to almost flip inside out
almost everyday. I know an anemone in general is hard to keep, but it
was fine for the first two months with the water chemistry not changing
much. My maxima clam and pipe organs are doing just fine though.
Everything else in the tank is fine except a yellow tang that has died
recently from unknown causes, my best guess is starvation as the
seaweed I've been trying to feed her is getting taken away by my
Clarkii clown. I actually only have about 25lbs of live rock and 15lbs
what was sold as live rock but seemed like base rock. So if I count
them, it'll be 40lbs which is probably too little for a reef tank.
<Is fine for this size, shape, type system> I also have about
30lbs of Lava Rock <This may be problematical... I would at least
have the water tested for iron content> I hope will eventually
become "live." Should I buy more live rock? <Would help,
yes> And if so, where can I purchase it at your site? <Mmm, we
don't sell anything (other than the books, pix we produce...)>
Here is my tank set up. Standard 55 gallon 80lb live sand 260w power
compacts with 130w 10,000k and 130w actinic Tidepool I Mag Drive 7
AquaC Urchin with MaxiJet And its inhabitants: 2 Damsels Clarkii
Clownfish Fire Shrimp 3 peppermint shrimps 2 conch 1 brittle star 15
blue leg hermits 10 red leg hermits 15 Astrea snails 2 emerald crabs
bubble coral Maxima Clam Pipe Organ LTA Rusty gorgonian Various feather
dusters Thanks for all your help! <I would keep an eye on the
anemone, be ready to siphon/vac it out if/when it dies... something is
awry in your system chemically... I would remove the lava rock precautionarily (is this a word?), <<Not that I can find
(other than a specific use in translated online Islamic texts), but we
get your meaning. Marina>> and look |
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