FAQs About Dojos, Weatherfishes
Compatibility
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Goldfish and loaches, comp. 11/29/12
Hi. I am setting up a 125 gallon freshwater tank which will house 2
common goldfish and two fancy tail goldfish which I already have.
<Ah, do be careful mixing Standards with Fancies; they don't always get
along, especially when sexually mature and breeding season comes round
and the males get pushy.>
I am looking for other stock and want to include a school of 6-8 of
either zebra or Yo Yo loaches.
<Why not go with Weather Loaches (Misgurnus anguillicaudatus)?
Infinitely better suited to life with Goldfish, and much more sociable
and peaceful.
As for true Botia species like Botia striata and Botia almorhae, they
*can* work with any large barb, including Goldfish, assuming water
chemistry and quality are appropriate. However, you do have some
challenges. Firstly, the Fancy Goldfish will always be at risk of (at
best) being chases a bit by the loaches at feeding time and (at worst)
being actively nipped. True Botia species are fairly peaceful to be
sure, especially compared to "false" Botia species like Skunk Loaches
(properly referred to as Yasuhikotakia morleti rather than Botia
morleti). But all Botia-type loaches are boisterous fish with a need to
be kept in large groups (5+ specimens) and prone to squabbling even
then. By contrast, Weather Loaches are peaceable fish that keep their
heads down most of the time, avoiding trouble as best they can. Another
nice thing about Weather Loaches is that you only need a group of three
for success, though the more the merrier, and once settled, they become
extremely tame -- hand-feedable even! As such, they're good personality
fish for use alongside Goldfish which are another big personality fish
that enjoys (gentle) human company. The only real limitation here is
that Weather Loaches should never be kept in a tank with jagged or even
coarse gravel. Either plain silica sand (sometimes called pool filter
sand) on its own or mixed with smooth, fine pea gravel will produce an
ideal substrate for both Goldfish and Weather Loaches.>
The tank will be heavily planted and will include cherry shrimp with
plenty of hiding spots.
<Cherry Shrimps are live food for Loaches.>
Can the loaches co exist with the goldfish or will they get eaten?
<Weather Loaches work very well with Goldfish of similar size.>
Also, I would like to include a school (12-15) of dwarf loaches. Again,
possible? Or does that spell disaster.
<Not a good idea at all. Goldfish are inept predators, but Dwarf Loaches
are small, and their defensive spines could easily choke an unlucky
Goldfish. In any case, Dwarf Spines need excellent water quality, and
that's virtually impossible to assure with Goldfish. Weather Loaches by
contrast, if not quite bullet-proof, are at least hardy, adaptable fish
that will sail though occasional missed water changes. Cheers, Neale.>
Help! Weather loach/shrimp
comp. 10/13/11
My husband and I have a 135 gallon tank and your people helped us out
on before when we cracked some glass, which I might say our advise
worked wonderfully! Currently I bought a golden loach
<I take it this is a xanthic variety of Weather Loach (Misgurnus
anguillicaudatus)...>
without researching it first. We have shrimp, kali loaches, Otto cats
with rocks, driftwood, and lightly planted (we are planning on heavy
planting).
We keep it between 76.5 and 80 degrees. My questions are: will the
golden loach eat my shrimp? Will it befriend the Kali loaches, how big
will it get in our tank, and probably most important of all....... How
the hell do I get it out of the tank before my husband shoots me!
<Very hard to extract for sure... use two nets...>
Thank you Michelle
<In a system this size, with enough plant material, though this
loach may consume some small shrimp (young)... Not all likely. Bob
Fenner>
Weather Loan <loach> biotope 5/6/11
Hello,
I have made a mistake of attempting to keep a weather loan (Misgurnus
anguillicaudatus) with 4 dwarf puffers, even though I was not advised
to do so. At first puffers didn't bother the loach (he is about 5
inches, they are less than inch each) but within few weeks male started
picking on him and driving the loach to hide and come out to eat only
at night when puffers are asleep.
So I traded in the puffers and now hoping to establish a 20 gallon long
tank ( 30 inches) or a 30 gallon long (36 inches) around this loach,
particularly as a biotope.
Which is a problem, because even though in my home country weather
loaches are extremely common I never saw them in what I would call
"natural" environment. I grew up seeing this whiskery fish in
dirty ditches, swamps, inner-city ponds and even large puddles after
strong rain. I doubt loaches in the wild enjoy tank bottom of concrete
and dirt and therefore need an advise on what would be a suitable
biotope for a Misgurnus?
What would be good plants? (right now tank has Anubis, but that will be
soon moved to another tank, and not suitable for Asian biotope anyhow)
What would be good tankmates? How many loaches can I keep in 20
gallons? Would addition of Betta (male or female) be a good idea?
Corydoras catfish?
Smaller variety of goldfish? Paradise Fish? Gourami? Lalia?
thanks!
Elena
<Hello Elena. Weather Loaches naturally come from streams where the
substrate is sandy (smooth silica sand, such as play sand and pool
filter sand) are typical. They will often bury themselves into this,
with only their head exposed above the sand. So an aquarium
"ideal" for Weather Loaches would have sand, smooth rocks
arranged to make some caves and other hiding places, and a few plants
around the edges. Use sturdy plants that won't be uprooted. Biotope
plants would include things like Vallisneria and Potamogeton that will
do well in, or prefer, unheated to subtropical aquaria (18 C is the
ideal temperature). Tankmates would need to be species that enjoy
similar water temperatures and don't mind a fairly open aquarium.
Good candidates include Minnows of all kinds (such as White Cloud
Mountain Minnows) and Bitterlings. If you can get them, fish such as
Crucian Carp and Tench. All these come from Eurasia so are more less
similar to what Weather Loaches live with in the wild. Standard (i.e.,
non-fancy) Goldfish also work well, but Goldfish are messy, and Loaches
like to dig, and the combination can be a very dirty aquarium! So if
you keep Loaches with Goldfish, they'll need a big aquarium and a
strong filter. Above all else, Weather Loaches enjoy the company of
their own kind, so keep at least two specimens for the most fun. If you
want to go with non-Eurasian tankmates, then anything that also enjoys
Subtropical conditions should do okay. Obvious options would be
Scleromystax barbatus (also known as Corydoras barbatus, the big and
beautiful "Bearded Corydoras"); the commonly Peppered
Corydoras, Corydoras paleatus; the subtropical cichlid Cichlasoma
portalegrense; and possibly Cave Tetras and Ameca splendens, though
both of these can be a little nippy, though nothing like as bad as
Dwarf Puffers. Paradisefish can work, but Paradisefish dislike strongly
flowing water and need lots of plants, so they're not ideal
companions. They're also aggressive bullies that mix poorly with
other fish. At 22 C you might add some low-end tropical species to the
mix such as Danios, Neon Tetras, Platies and Swordtails. Bettas and
other high-end tropical fish that need 25 C or higher won't work in
the long term. Cheers, Neale.>
Weather Loach and Xenopus
12/21/2009
Dear crew,
<Hello again,>
thanks for the previous response, I scratched my previous ideas
altogether.
<OK.>
I was wondering whether this new idea would be workable. My research
seems to indicate such, assuming the loach is of adequate size, but I
wanted another opinion. On this point, I was wondering how fast weather
loaches
grow, and whether a 30 gallon tank is large enough for them to reach
their full size potential.
<Xenopus and a Weather Loach should get along fine, assuming an
equitable temperature around 18-20 degrees C, which would be warm
enough for the Xenopus but not too warm for the Loach. Your only real
problem here will be feeding: the Loach is a very fast fish and can hog
food. If you're hand feeding your Xenopus, that's less of an
issue, but if not, then you may need to be careful. Cheers,
Neale.>
Weather Loach and Xenopus
<PS. Weather Loaches grow quite quickly, and will reach their full
size in around 2-3 years. Cheers, Neale.>
<<Mmm, RMF is chiming in here to warn re keeping Misgurnis and
ACF/Xenopus frogs together. There is a high probability that the frog/s
will consume the Weatherfish. And if there's a bigger eater than
Xenopus, I have yet to encounter it. BobF>>
Re: More re: Weather Loach and Xenopus
12/21/2009
Thanks Bob for your comment here. I should perhaps have added
"size permitting". Adult Weather Loaches are around 20 cm
long, adult Xenopus up to 15 cm, so I can't really see these two
being much of a threat to each
other at those size. But Bob is certainly right that any fish small
enough to be eaten by the frog will be eaten by the frog. Perhaps
erring on the side of caution is wise. As a rule, keep frogs in frog
tanks, fish in fish tanks, and all will be well. Cheers, Neale.
"<<Mmm, RMF is chiming in here to warn re keeping Misgurnis
and ACF/Xenopus frogs together. There is a high probability that the
frog/s will consume the Weatherfish. And if there's a bigger eater
than Xenopus, I have yet to
encounter it. BobF>>"
>Oh, and to tell a bit more... I kept Xenopus laevis years back when
it was a good size part of research-lab animal interest in the U.S.. It
is really quite an "eater-upper"... Like White's Tree
Frog... really "trying" most anything moving it seems that
might fit in its mouth. BobF<
Do Dojo loach's eat other fish ? <Well... big fish do
eat little fish, but in the case of the dojo loach, I highly doubt they
would eat another fish.>
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