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Black moor Goldfish Peeling
11/27/11
Hi, my Black moor goldfish has began losing all of its scales on both
sides of its body, and I am finding its skin peeling at the bottom of
the tank.
<Yikes!>
Due to all of the peeling its sides are now showing a red color.
It shares the tank with another black moor and an algae eating
catfish
<... This is highly the cause... Is this Gyrinocheilus aymonieri?
Look it up on the Net and WWM>
in a 5 gallon tank which I know is too small for the
three fish.
<... then... why... are you killing these fishes?>
I've changed the water recently and have began doing a 30% water
change weekly. The day after I changed the water, the black moor's
eye began to bleed internally and now the outside of the eye is peeling
as well. It has also developed a cut on the top of the eye. It is
acting completely normal and eating regularly. I have had it for about
a year now and it has grown to about 5 inches. Its poop sometimes comes
of clear with brownish orange bubbles along with clear bubbles.
<... Look up the CAE name, remove it and move these goldfish to
sufficient space/quarters. Bob Fenner>
Re: Black moor Goldfish Peeling 11/28/11
The catfish is an Hypostomus Plecostomus
<Still very problematical; and still likely the culprit
here>
I wasn't aware how large it would grow due to it still being
small. I have moved the Hypostomus Plecostomus and the other one
inch Black moor Goldfish to a 5 gallon while separating the 5 inch
Black moor into another 5 gallon alone. All of the water has been
changed.
<... I would not change all of the water ever>
Is there anything I can do to make the skin better along with its
eye.
<Time going by, good maintenance and nutrition. BobF>
Re: Black moor Goldfish Peeling, Pleco incomp.
11/29/11
I removed the catfish, it was been two days and the black moor's
scales are now growing back. Thank you very much.
<Ahh! Thank you for this follow-up Melanie. BobF>
trying to verify if my Pleco is a Trinidad
4/21/10
Hi,
Its been awhile since I wrote in with a question. But today I
have a quick question. I bought a Pleco from a pet store, not a
fish store. The girl at the store said she thinks its a
"Trinidad" Pleco but wasn't sure.
<Indeed.>
I bought him cause I liked how he looked different from the
standard Plecos I have normally seen. I was looking at pics
online but he is small and looks like he "could be" a
different kind.
<Would appear to be a standard issue Ancistrus, what is often
called the "Bristlenose Plec". The photo is really to
blurry to be sure though.
"Trinidad Plec" is a name given to Hypostomus
punctatus. While that species was common enough in the 60s and
70s, I haven't seen it traded much, if at all, in recent
years. Normally the cheap Plecs in most European and North
American pet stores are Pterygoplichthys pardalis and
Pterygoplichthys multiradiatus. When discussing catfish, Latin
names are generally much more useful than trade names, so I'd
encourage you to use these names whilst
searching online for photos of these species.>
I know that pet stores are not always dead on with what they
think the fish they are selling actually is. I was wondering if
you might be able to tell from this pic that I attached if it is
indeed a Trinidad Pleco and is that
the common name or what he might be if that's not what he is.
He is a baby and he is dark brown with light yellow spots and
about an inch long right now.
Thanks
Joe
<Cheers, Neale.>
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Pleco in small tank or aggressive tank? -04/11/08
I recently bought a 20 gallon high tank that included 3 fish; an 8 inch
Pleco, a 3 inch Pink Gourami, and a Guppy. They all get along fairly
well but I'm afraid the tank is just too small for the Pleco,
especially if he continues to grow. <I'm assuming we're
talking about a Hypostomus plecostomus, those "classic"
Plecos it seems like everybody has? If so, yes, he'll get huge
(like, possibly almost 2ft).> I was considering moving him to my 130
gallon tank but I am unsure how he would do with, not only the
different water conditions, but the Cichlids as well. Currently in the
big tank are two 6 inch Jaguars, two 2 inch Jaguars, a 9 inch
Flowerhorn, a 4 inch Convict, a 2 inch Convict, a 3 inch Jack Dempsey
and a 4 inch Tiger Shovelnose Cat. All are at least somewhat aggressive
and the Flowerhorn is just downright mean. I would hate to leave the
Pleco in a tiny tank but I would also hate to see him beaten and nipped
to death by territorial Cichlids. From what I've read, the chances
of a Pleco thriving in a Cichlid tank are very circumstantial <I
think an 8in Pleco stands a decent chance in this tank. Btw, have you
ever touched this fish? ...not exactly an appetizing texture (even for
a Cichlid). ;-)> and I'm just too scared to risk it without some
professional advice. Any information you could give me would be very
helpful. <If you have enough rockwork in the Cichlid tank for the
Pleco to hide around, I'd go ahead and give it a try. You can
always remove the Pleco if the other fish are too aggressive towards
it. But it definitely shouldn't stay in a 20gH!> Thanks. <De
nada, Sara M.>
Re: Discus Fish System,
Loricariid comp. 2/25/08 Neale/Crew of WWM,
<Hello,> Thank you for the quick answer once again. I have
two more questions: As far as the Discus go, I've read in
many places that they aren't good to mix with, say, a common
Pleco, because there's the possibility they will eat the
slime coat off the discus. <Correct; doesn't always
happen, but happens sufficiently often.> However, certain ones
that stay on the smaller side and aren't too active would be
okay. I really like the Gold-Nugget Plecos and have read they
only get to be 5-6 inches or so. How would this work?
<Baryancistrus sp. L018 could be okay, and does like quite
warm water, which meshes nicely with what Symphysodon wants. But
regardless: keep an eye on things, and act accordingly.>
Second, I've been reading a lot about filtration (still...)
and currently have a Penguin Bio Wheel filter.. rated for 30
gallons. Obviously this will not be sufficient for the 55 gallon
alone. I have two choices I'm kicking back and forth: an Aqua
Clear 50 HOB filter, for about $45, or an Eheim Ecco 2232 which
is rated at 127 gph for a 35 gallon tank for $89. (or another
brand/model...) Is the canister filter worth the extra money
here? <Yes.> My concern is in regard to the build of
nitrates (yes, I do realize they will build in all mech. filters
and have to be changed). <Nitrate build-up in canister filters
may well be an issue, but with proper maintenance it
shouldn't happen. Actually, "your mileage may vary"
-- I know people keeping very successful reef tanks that use
canister filters they clean only once or twice a year! The
benefit of canister filters is the generous water turnover and
the option for useful selections of media. Hang-on-the-back
filters come with these stupid "cartridge" modules that
contain useless junk like carbon and Zeolite. While great for the
manufacturers and retailers, they're a waste of space for
freshwater aquarists. What you want is a filter with empty
modules into which you can put good-quality media like Siporax as
well as filter wool that can be changed as often as required
(which will be OFTEN in a planted tank.> Thanks a lot for the
help! Eric <Cheers, Neale.>
Re: Discus Fish System; filter
options, and catfish -02/25/08 Good day, Thank you for the
answer in regard to the Pleco and the filter. I will definitely
keep an eye out for any harmful interactions. I did hear that the
discus actually 'like' the slime coat-action? (Even
though it's not good for them) Interesting.. <I doubt they
actually like it. There's a whopping great fish scraping
their skin off with big sharp teeth. About as much fun as having
a ferret in your underpants I'd imagine.> As for the
filter: the AquaClear 50 is rated at 200 gph, while the Ecco
Canister is rated for 127 gph. I guess I'm confused as how
the latter would be more flow? <In theory then the 200 gph
filter would be better. But my experience of hang-on-the-back
filters is that they are less good at cleaning solid wastes from
the bottom of the tank. They're also less flexible in terms
of media options, though that varies. In any case choose
whichever you prefer, provided the 4x volume of the tank in
turnover per hour is observed.> Is that because the canister
is more efficient, or the design? <Canisters are more flexible
in terms of options and accessories, but if you place one under
the tank it actually is less efficient in terms of turnover than
a hang-on filter at water level (because the canister now has to
work against gravity).> The AquaClear also has different
options for media, and I can use the pre-made 'bags' for
pretty much anything. <The bags are often pretty rubbish.
Anything pre-packaged does so to extract more money for less
stuff. Nothing sold to consumers breaks this law.> I do think
part of my hesitation (besides that which is listed above) is
because I am familiar w/ the AquaClear, while I've never used
a Canister before. <Almost all experienced freshwater
aquarists migrate from hang-on filters and internal filters to
external canister filters. They are just better value and more
flexible. Of course, you're free to do whatever you want, so
long as the basic rules are observed.> One last question (I
promise): what about noise levels? I have read favorable things
in regard to quality, longevity, etc. etc. about the Ecco (and
entire Eheim line, for that matter) but there's not much in
regard to how noisy it will be; in relation to the AquaClear.
<Canister filters can be noisy if they get air bubbles inside
them, but are generally silent when up and running properly.>
Thanks again, E <Cheers, Neale.>
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Mystery bumps on edges of Pleco fins (plus some
other random questions involving goldfish) 12/30/07 Happy
holidays to the WWM crew! <Thanks!> Thanks again to Neale for
the helpful responses a few weeks ago -- Ginger the goldfish seems
to have more or less recovered from the whole ordeal and has been
back in the main [35g] tank for a couple weeks - Fancy (the little
Ryukin) seemed quite happy to have Ginger back, if that's
possible... though I'm wondering if Ginger is really male and
Fancy a female, after reading the FAQs on fish sexing? <Goldfish
are difficult to sex outside of breeding condition; in breeding
condition, males develop very obvious white spots (tubercles) on
their heads.> There was quite a bit of "tail bumping"
and not-overly-intense chasing of Fancy by Ginger yesterday, which
seems to have resulted in a tail tasting -- I assume the small
'ribbon' of missing tail will heal up uneventfully, but
will it regrow? <Fin should grow back, though possibly a
different colour.> I'll keep an eye on the tear to make sure
no infection/fungus takes hold, and continue to maintain the water
change/testing schedule for now. Fancy seems otherwise content and
isn't having any trouble swimming. A photo of the 2
(Ginger's the orange one, Fancy's the calico; the arrows
point to the tear in Fancy's tail, and what I suspect are
'breeding stars' on Ginger?): http://appj.com/photos/fish/gingerfancy.jpg
<Looks like Ginger is indeed a male. The give-away is if the
pattern of white spots on each side of the head looks about the
same. Ick (Whitespot) never does.> [Grr... my stupid webmail
client just ate the detailed paragraph I wrote on my Pleco... for
lack of energy, here's an abbreviated version, below] <Oh
dear.> My Pleco (Hypostomus sp?) has some strange,
whitish-clearish-fleshy, gelatinous growths on the edge of the left
ventral fin and the top of the caudal fin. The small bump on the
tail fin appeared several days ago, but seemed smaller the last
couple days and hasn't really changed much. The pleco's
still eating/moving normally, but was cleaning the front glass this
evening despite the aquarium light being on -- not completely
normal for him. That's when I noticed that a much bigger
cauliflower bump had appeared on the edge/underside of another fin
in the last day. There's no apparent injury underlying these
bumps, which "saddle" the outer edge of a fin. There had
been a bit of a spat between the Pleco and Fancy over a particular
algae wafer last night (despite the other 2 identical wafers next
to it in the tank!), so maybe the stress of that exacerbated
whatever condition this is:
http://appj.com/photos/fish/plecobump.jpg <Hmm... could be
Lymphocystis, a viral disease with no cure other than time. Rarely
fatal, but does take a long time (potentially many months to a
couple years) to clear up. Fairly convincingly ascribed to less
than perfect water quality issues. Lympho tends to be an issue with
"advanced" fish, so this may in fact be more akin to Fish
Pox, an equivalent disease found on carps.> Currently, there are
no bumps quite like this on any other fish, though Ginger has had a
small whitish bump/discoloration "in" her/his tail for
several weeks now. I'm guessing it's unrelated, unless
it's some sort of viral thing? I'm hoping the Crew may have
a potential diagnosis / treatment recommendation. <Does sound
similar. Either way, these sorts of cysts/tumours/warts can't
be treated directly except by improving water quality. Do make sure
conditions are otherwise optimal. Since Plecs are tropical fish, do
make sure the temperature is adequate.> Thanks in advance :) -
Jen [p.s. see "goldfish 911 (lethargic, anorexic)" FAQ
thread from a couple weeks ago, for more setup/background info]
[p.p.s. I'll be writing again soon with some questions on the
new 125g tank I just purchased for my aquatic critters - too
exciting!] <Hope this helps, Neale.> |
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Constipated Pleco - 10/07/2007 My Hypostomus
plecostomus a.k.a. sucker fish is constipated and usually he is
decorating my tank like it was Christmas. His color is still good but
his belly is a little bloated. I have had my tank for awhile his
roommates are a killifish, a Sailfin molly, cream molly, 3 Dalmatian
mollies (not to mention 8 babies from a 2 litters I know of), and a
platy. All of them seem to be fine. The only thing I have done
different is a few weeks ago I started giving them Tubifex worm cubes
because all of the fish seemed to always be hungry except my Pleco he
seemed to fancy the small cichlid pellets which he hasn't done his
little dance for since his plumbing problem started, which he does try
to eat but it reminds me more of an infant when they have trapped gas
and they are restless and only want to keep sucking on that bottle. I
also just read tonight that they need live plants and DRIFTWOOD well
right now I am broke and I live in Arizona & I have no clue what
wood would be okay. What can I do before he explodes?:( Thank you for
you time, Jaimie <Hello Jaimie, First things first. You almost
certainly don't have Hypostomus plecostomus. That species
hasn't been in the trade since the 70s, though for some reason
it's the name that retailers seem to stick on their tanks. You
almost certainly have a species of Pterygoplichthys, likely
Pterygoplichthys multiradiatus or Pterygoplichthys pardalis. Both of
these get big (around 45 cm/18 inches in aquaria). Pterygoplichthys is
an omnivore not a pure algae eater, so its diet does need to include a
mix of foods. Sinking algae wafers are an ideal staple, but add to that
are a mix of foods including mussels, prawns, carrot, potato, curette
(zucchini), Sushi Nori, tinned peas, bloodworms and catfish pellets.
Being big animals, they need quite a lot of food, which is why the
minimum aquarium for an adult specimen is around the 200 litre/55 US
gallon mark. In anything smaller all they do is create cloudy, messy
water conditions that compromise the health of their tankmates. As far
as dealing with constipation go, tinned peas work well. Bogwood is an
ESSENTIAL addition to the aquarium. These catfish must have access to
the stuff; it is, as you hypothesize, a source of dietary fiber. Given
a small bit only costs a couple of quid, expense really shouldn't
be an issue. You don't need a big bit, just something it can nibble
on. You can collect your own hardwoods like beech or oak (as opposed to
resinous softwood) to feed to these catfish, but the problem is you
need a supply of wood that has never been sprayed with pesticides or
herbicides. Also, "fresh" wood rots, so before long it's
covered with fungus and not at all attractive (though the catfish seem
happy to eat the fungus!). So buying a little bit of bogwood from a
reptile or aquarium store is simply safer and easier. Cheers,
Neale>
Re: Bent Plecostomus Hi, <Hello> Could you give me some
advice on my juvenile common Pleco? Getting home from work today I
realized that he was in the middle of the tank, bent like a 'C'
and not sucking onto anything. He is unable to swim
balanced. I believe this came on suddenly as he was fine a
few hours ago. Please advise. Thanks, Jen <He may have just eaten
something that didn't agree with him or he could be reacting to
water quality. Check your water (especially ammonia) and if it's
fine, observe him closely for a while to see if he gets better.
Ronni>
Can Plecostomus be effected by skin flukes I have a 29 (long)
aquarium, I have had problems keeping any fish alive in there except 2
large, super veil angels and a (Hypostomus) Plecostomus. (Every Cory
Cat fish I put in there, came down with a "pop eye" disease).
So the 2 angels and the Pleco have been the only residents for 2 years.
The angels were a breeding pair, until the female came down with a bad
case of huge growths on her upper lip, (they looked like 2 large peas,
but white or gray in color). After that she got really grumpy, I talked
to an expert on angels, he said it was "kind of a wart" or a
better lack of words, and that surgically removing them, and not
accidentally removing her lip was the only was to get rid of them, or
these growths would eventually get so big, that she will no longer be
able to eat, and she'd starve. Monday the male Angel died. I
couldn't see anything wrong, I have had good water conditions,
certainly no over crowding. The next day I noticed white spikes coming
out of my female angel, up close that is exactly what they looked like.
>From the other fish experts I've talked to, it sounds as though
she had body flukes. All I can think of is they must have came in on a
live plant I purchased. Can Body flukes at some stage in their life be
transmitted on plants? < Anything is possible but pretty
unlikely> Nothing else was new in the aquarium. She had 12 or
more of these "spikes". The next morning I had her "put
down", so to speak. I have the Plecostomus out of that aquarium
now, in quarantine. As far as I can tell I have done everything right
with him. He has never shown any signs of problems. He still
doesn't, he went into quarantine yesterday. I have a 2000
gallon outdoor decorative pond, I have Koi and a very large Plecostomus
who will be going into very soon, ( I am waiting for the pond to do
it's bacteria build up thing.) The Koi are various sizes, but I
three which are 17 or 18 inches long, there are 9 Koi all together, and
the Plecostomus in the pond is 18 inches. How long should I keep
this other poor Plecostomus in quarantine? < If you are really
worried I would keep him in quarantine between two and six
weeks.> Also, do you have a good suggestion on how to really
sterilize that 29 gallon aquarium? < I am not a really big fan
of sterilization. My suggestion would be to heat your tank up to 80
degrees plus for a week or two. Any pathogens will starve without any
hosts in that time period. At the end of that time I would do a 50%
water change. Pick out some new fish to add to your tank and put them
in the quarantine tank. In two to four weeks they could be added to
your main tank. Make sure your filter is cleaned often. The BioWheel is
a great invention and gives you many options. Make sure that you gravel
vac the sludge from the gravel.> It has gravel, plants (one
live one, which I plan on pitching), a nice large back flow filter,
with a bacteria wheel, also a good powerful pump with an under gravel
bacteria filter. What should I do. < Check you water
conditions. You left out some important information. Keep the water
temp at 80 degrees. I would clean the filter at least once but no later
than twice a week despite what it looks like. Check the ammonia,
nitrites and nitrates. You should have no ammonia , no nitrites and the
nitrate levels should be no higher than 25 ppm. Elevated levels of
these compounds lead to long term chronic problems that you have
described.> I also have another 29 long ~ aquarium, with fish,
and the 150 gallon decorative pond in my living room, which is the
Koi's winter residence. But water changes every three days and
running 3 pumps in there (and all the fish are healthy) this is driving
me nuts. I am fished out. And I still have to decide what to do the
Pleco in quarantine, and the tank with a problem. Suggestions please ~
Deb < Unfortunately big fish generate lots of waste. There is
no magic potion to make this problem go away, but I do have some
suggestions. With all those Koi you need a pump that moves at least 450
gallons an hour. This could easily be done with one pump instead of
three. You need a filter that is easy to maintain. Look at the
Marineland Tidepool line of filters. The trays are easily removed for
cleaning and nothing needs to be turned off. Look at the food and make
sure the fish are eating it all in a couple minutes. Excess food is
usually a big problem. Check the water chemistry. If your nitrates are
fairly low as described above then maybe the water changes are only
needed weekly.-Chuck>
New Pleco Not Eating I have a 10 gallon tank containing 6
1" X-ray Tetras and a 4" Common Pleco (damn he's
cute)<My favorite fish>. I've had the tank about 1 month and
am keeping a sharp eye on the Ph/A/N/N. <What are the numbers?
Plecos make a lot of waste. At four inches, your OK for now. But he
will get over a foot in time> I just got the Pleco 3 days ago and
I'm not sure if he is eating. I can see no discernible algae in the
tank yet, though when I repositioned an air hose it felt slimy. <How
long has it been running? If the tank is not cycled you will be getting
ammonia and nitrite spikes. Be ready for large daily water changes>
I've been dropping algae wafers in and the next morning they are
gone, for the most part. Or so I thought. I vacuumed the gravel
yesterday when I did a water change and it seems that the wafers just
disintegrated and fell unseen between the gravel, uneaten. The Pleco
will suck on the glass and rocks, but also all over his cave, which is
brand new. I tried zucchini but he ignores it. <A great food, along
with squash, carrots, cucumber, even a raw shrimp once or twice a
month. Stick with it. He's just new to the tank> How long can a
Pleco go without food? <Weeks, if healthy. But, of course, it is not
recommended> It might just be the stress of a new environment,
<Yep, give him a few days> but I don't want him to starve.
<I have never seen a healthy fish starve> He's fairly active
at night, but I don't know what is considered
"normal" activity. <Yep, I consider it a "Rare Fish
Sighting" when my Big Spots come out while the lights are on>
He's my first. Also, assuming the little bugger survives, <He
will> I was thinking of getting moonlight, so I can actually see it
sometimes. <Thinking of this myself, but have not it tried yet>
I'll turn out the tank light, but he still won't come out until
the room is dark. Will that keep my Tetras active at night? <Not
sure. It would depend on the brightness> I don't want them
competing with him for his wafers, etc. They eat everything. <I feed
all my Plecos just before going to bed. Try putting wafers in a shallow
bowl or a clean ashtray. You'll get a better idea of what he's
eating and keep the leftovers out of the gravel.
Re: New Pleco Not Eating Thanks for the super fast reply! Lets see,
numbers... I test the tank every day. <Great> The pH has held a
steady 7.6 since inception, same as the tap and water temp steady 79.
<Same as the tap is the important part of this. No problem with
water changes> I understand the pH should come down naturally as the
tank cycles? <Maybe, but one big advantage of doing frequent water
changes is keeping the two pHs close. The fish will adapt. It's a
sudden swing that is bad> The max numbers I've gotten are
ammonia 2ppm, nitrite .25, nitrate 20. That's all within acceptable
range, I think? The longest I've gone between water changes is 2
days, will do it more often now with the Pleco. <There is no safe
amount of ammonia or nitrite. Both must be at zero. 2ppm ammonia will
kill. Nitrates at 20ppm is good. I usually do my water changes when
they hit 20. But you are going to have to do large (50%+) water changes
daily until that ammonia is gone. This will slow, but not stop, the
formation of the bacteria needed to eliminate it naturally>
Here's the weird thing. From the first day I started the tank the
nitrate level was 10?? I have a bottom layer of sand that came with the
tank (used). It had sat in a bag in someone's garage for a year+,
so I figured any creepies would be dead. I washed it thoroughly. I also
put new gravel over most of that, kind of a gravel/sandscape. Looks
nice and so far hasn't mixed except slightly where they meet
towards the front of the tank. If my Am and Nitrite started off at 0,
how is that possible? The used sand is the only thing I can think of,
its 0 out of the tap. I've tripled checked the tests. The tank has
been running three weeks (thought it was longer), I added the first
fish 2 weeks days ago. <Most likely organics in the sand. With tap
water at zero, this will control itself as you deal with the ammonia.
Not a worry> My Pleco is getting a little bolder,
he was out and watching me work last night, but whenever I turned
toward him, he'd back up into his cave. <All normal> Though
once he just sat on a flat rock and blinked at me. I think I'm in
love now. :) <LOL> Thanks for the ashtray tip, what a good idea.
<Not mine. Just passing along a tidbit. Don>
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