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Hmmm, where did you read that they are "primarily a photosynthetic
feeder"? I would have to disagree with that. Yes, these corals can be
slowly acclimated to tolerate intense light. However, usually coming
from mid-level waters, they prefer less light (or indirect light). They
extend extensive feeding tentacles at night and have strong prey capture
ability. As a side note, the phrase "photosynthetic feeder" makes no
sense. Animals do not feed photosynthetically. If they are
photosynthetic, they convert light energy into chemical energy and store
it in the form of ATP. Feeding is when an animal metabolizes organic
matter from another organism. An animal can't "feed" on sunlight
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Hurting bubble and doughnut coral 6/29/12
Hello Crew,
<Felix>
I have 2 bubble and an Indonesian Scolymia sp
(doughnut coral) that are not doing so great, they're
still extending their tentacles, albeit poorly.
But there's part of their skeleton that has turned black. The coral
refuse to extend near the black area of the skeleton. Should I remove
the dying part, and how the best way to do it?
<I would not remove the necrotic tissue; but would make up a slightly
lower (a few thousandths) spg solution of seawater (or just add fresh to
a portion of the system water) and a ten times dose of iodide-ate for a
five minute bath>
I suspect the infection started because the bubbles fall from the rock
near a lobo coral.
<? What? If too near, I'd move one or the other>
the Scolymia did not
acclimatize well and has never accepted feeding. Water parameter is
within the norm, PH 7,9 salinity 1.025, nitrate 0, phosphate 0,
<Chemophotosynthates need some (measurable) NO3 and
HPO4. I'd remove whatever chemical filtrants you're using here>
calcium 400, alkalinity 9, magnesium 1200.
My second question is why these corals are not doing well (I also have
several other LPS not doing so great although they're still extending).
<See above. They're likely starved>
My system is 90g, with an oversized DIY skimmer (rated for 150g) running
non stop, NP-Biopellet reactor, and Rowaphos fluidizer.
<Ditch these last two. Unnecessary and expensive>
Additives are Grotech Ca, Mg, and Alk supplied daily via dosing pump
(balling light). Lighting is DIY 3wx32 LED fixtures, mix of Royal blue
and cool white (50/50). Do you think the light is overkill as some of my
LPS won't extend their polyp in direct light?
<Doubtful; no>
SPS seems to be doing fine of course. Or is it lack of nutrition
from over filtration?
<Ding ding ding! Yes>
Do you think I could benefit from using a timer for my skimmer?
<Maybe. Worth trying out>
Would a Biopellet reactor and RowaPhos fluidizer benefit from timer
instead of running 24h non stop?
<Yes>
I'm thinking about
installing an Algae turf scrubber
<Do study carefully. Most designs are not worthwhile>
and see if it can replace the fluidizers, I've heard that they're great
way to supply nutrition to your tank. thanks as always for your valuable
input :D
<Mmm, and let's have you review here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/MussidDisF4.htm
and the linked files above. Bob Fenner>
Re: Hurting bubble and doughnut coral 7/6/12
Hello Bob,
thanks so much for the suggestion, I tried the iodide bath and both
corals seems to be recovering nicely. Still ways to go but hopeful :)
<Ah, good>
I have a follow up question though, if I remove the biopellet and
Rowaphos filtration. How do I keep the nitrate and phosphate in control?
<See WWM re... the search tool on every page, the indices... best to
strike an input/output balance... as in nature>
I've been told that a skimmer does not remove these two elements.
<... does remove such, as part of phobic molecules>
And I fear another algae/Cyano outbreak. I do heavy feeding (twice a day,
half a cube each) as I have a couple of Squampini Anthiases.
<Pseudanthias squamipinnis I take it... better to have more, a good
sized grouping if your system will accommodate. See WWM re Fancy Basses
as well>
thanks
Felix
<Certainly welcome. Bob Fenner>
Scolymia, hlth. 9/26/09
Hi Bob, I wonder if you can help me. I purchased a Scolymia approx 4
months ago.
It was green and brown (maroon), it would polyp up for most of the day
and was feeding well. It is placed on the substrate. Approx 3 weeks ago
I noticed that it seemed to be losing its colour and wasn't feeding
as readily.
<Bad signs>
At first I thought maybe it was the light so I gently moved it a couple
of inches so that it was shaded by an overhang but this has made no
difference, I also checked that there wasn't anything close to it
which could sting it, apart from another Scolymia there is nothing
within 8 inches of it.
I have just returned from a two week holiday (Have removed location/RMF
- lucky me) and found that it has now become virtually white.
<!? Very bad>
It has no maroon/brown pigment left at all and the green is now a
fluorescent yellow.
I don't know why the Scolymia is bleaching. It is still inflating
but not as much and is not feeding well although it is taking chopped
mussel and Mysis shrimp in small amounts. My husband maintained the
tank whilst I was on holiday and he said he had great difficulty
getting it to feed although since I got home I have managed to feed it
a few bits of chopped mussel every night this week (I've had to
stand guard to keep the fish and shrimps away or they steal the food
from it).
My tank
is 72x24x24
Photoperiod is
2 x Actinic Blue 1200 - 2300,
2 x 54w Actinic 'Daylight' 1600hrs - 2230
2 x 250MH 1700 - 2200
<I'd extend the "white light" time... to another
couple hours per day>
Water Param.s:
Temp 76 degrees
Salinity 1.025
Calc 430
Mag 1500
<This is a little high... I'd keep closer to 3X Ca conc.>
Phos 0
<Have to have some...>
Nitrite 0
Ammonia 0
Nitrate <0.05
<And more of NO3>
PH 8.2
I also have a Red and Green Scolymia purchased a week after the above
and this is fine, eating well, inflating well and not bleaching, it is
placed alongside the above Scolymia and they do occasionally touch each
other if they both polyp up at the same time.
<... you state above that nothing touches the one poorly
Mussid>
I also have a red Cynarina coral which is about 8 inches away from the
two scolys and this is also very healthy. Everything else in the tank
is likewise doing
very well.
Tank stock:
Symphyllia
Lobophyllia x 2
Trachyphyllia
Hammer
Physogyra lichtensteini 3
Plerogyra sp x 2
Plerogyra sinuosa x 3
Toadstools x 4
Anchor x 1
Goniopora x 5
Alveopora x 1
Gorgonian x 4
Pom Pom Xenia x 4
Sinularia
Turbinaria
Candy cane
Organ Pipe x 2
Sun Corals x 4
I'm not sure what more I should be doing to try to get this coral
back to full health so that it feeds well and returns to its proper
colouring. I have not seen any Zooxanthellae expulsion.
I carry out a 100 litre water change every week which is approx 15%, I
add 3ml amino acids alternate days and feed the tank 5ml of live phyto
3 times a week.
<Mmmm... nothing here consumes this directly>
I run carbon for one week
in every 3 weeks. I have a refugium in my sump which is lit when the
display tank lights are off.
Can you please advise on what I should do to rescue this animal?
Pauline Grover
<Nothing other than my notes "jumps out" here as
terminally off... The fact that your other stony corals, even members
of the same family, genus are doing well is telling... I would ask that
you review here:
http://wetwebmedia.com/mussiddisfaqs.htm
and the linked files above in the hope that something will become live
to your conscience... The more plausible "cause" here is
allelopathy... the second, some sort of direct trauma... but from what?
Bob Fenner>
Blastomussa merleti health 10/25/07
Cheers Crew. <good morning> Someone was breaking down a
tank and gave me a small (5 or so polyps) Blastomussa Merleti
frag. The polyps were very full when I got it. Since adding it to
my tank after quarantine, however, it is not faring so well, as
the polyps are not nearly as full and portions of the
skeleton/cup are visible. <What kind of system was it in
before you got it? i.e. what lighting was it previously
under?> I have a 110g display with a 30g fuge (4-5" DSB,
Chaeto and LR) and 85lbs of LR. Lighting is six 54W T5 HO (4
10000Ks and 2 460nm actinics). Mechanical filtration is a wet-dry
trickle filter and a Coral Life Super Skimmer. I run carbon in
the sump that I change out every 4 weeks. Flow is via a Little
Giant 1345 gph return pump, 2 MaxiJet 1200s, 1 MaxiJet 900 and
one cheapo low-flow powerhead that I threw in for good measure.
<This is still probably not quite enough water flow for a 110g
reef tank. Please see here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/circmarart.htm and if you have the
time/interest...
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2007/1/aafeature > Livestock is
a Sailfin Tang (I know . . .), Gold Stripe Maroon Clown and BTA,
Royal Gramma, Brown Comb Tooth Blenny, Yellow Canary Wrasse,
Filament Flasher Wrasse, a Citron Goby, 2 Cleaner Shrimps, a
Sally Lightfoot, 2 unknown tree corals, a Lemnalia tree coral,
two small groups of Pulsing Xenia, 6 Green Hairy Mushrooms, 5 red
Shrooms, 2 Ricordea Shrooms, and 4 unknown Shrooms. I use RO/DI
for top-off and water changes (10% per week). I dose with B-Ionic
2-part calcium/buffer as needed with testing and Kent iodine one
per week with water changes. <No more iodine. Or, please at
least test the iodine levels in your tank first. For some further
reading on iodine:
http://advancedaquarist.com/issues/mar2003/chem.htm> Water
parameters are: ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate (SeaChem) all 0ppm,
phosphate (Salifert) 0ppm, calcium (Red Sea) 400, pH (SeaChem)
8.3, SPG is 1.024-1.025, Alk (SeaChem) is 3.5-4 mEq/L, and temp
is 78-80. Based on these readings and a ton of Coralline Algae on
my LR and glass, I believe that my water quality is excellent.
<::sigh:: Well, I will agree that the results of your test
kits do not raise any alarms.> I've read that Blasto
Merleti like low flow and low to moderate lighting, so I figured
that my T5 setup would be acceptable. Initially, I placed the
coral in the lower portion of my tank but have since moved it to
the upper third to see if the increased lighting might help. I
have seen nominal improvement. I have also read that supplemental
feeding is not required, as this coral is primarily a
photosynthetic feeder, but I've also read that target feeding
with Mysis is not discouraged either. <Hmmm, where did you
read that they are "primarily a photosynthetic feeder"?
I would have to disagree with that. Yes, these corals can be
slowly acclimated to tolerate intense light. However, usually
coming from mid-level waters, they prefer less light (or indirect
light). They extend extensive feeding tentacles at night and have
strong prey capture ability. As a side note, the phrase
"photosynthetic feeder" makes no sense. Animals do not
feed photosynthetically. If they are photosynthetic, they convert
light energy into chemical energy and store it in the form of
ATP. Feeding is when an animal metabolizes organic matter from
another organism. An animal can't "feed" on
sunlight.> I've tried to target feed the coral, but it
doesn't seem to eat the food. I target feed whole Cyclop-eeze
to my tree corals, so I would think that some of the free
floating particles are available for the Blasto Merleti for what
that's worth. <When did you attempt to target feed the
coral? If you tried to feed it during the day, this might explain
why you didn't have much luck. You should try feeding the
coral a few hours after lights out. It might not start feeding
right away, but if you're consistent, it should start to
respond in a few days or weeks. Please see here for some coral
feeding tips: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fdreefinverts.htm>
Any ideas on what might be going on or what I can do to improve
this coral's health? <My guess is that the coral is
stressed and/or starving. I would move it slowly back down from
the light and start trying to target feed it at night.> The
only thing I can think of other than that maybe my lighting is
not sufficient is that it is positioned near my Green Hairy
Mushrooms, but not right on top of them or anything. When it was
in the bottom of my tank, it was not near any Shrooms. <It is
a good idea to keep it away from the mushroom corals. Though they
might not kill the B. merleti, they'll compete with it for
space as they grow.> As always, I appreciate your help. Andy
<My pleasure, Sara M.>
Re: Blasto Merleti... fdg. 10/25/07
Dear Sara, Sorry--"I've read that they feed primarily
through photosynthesis." I hope that makes more sense to the
scientists among you--It is clear from your response that you
understood what this fledgling was attempting to say. <Yes, I
do understand what you're trying to say. If you'd like to
say what you want to say correctly, saying "I've read
that they obtain most their energy needs through
photosynthesis" would be more accurate. :-) > I did take
biology in 9th grade, but it's been 20 years so I am
sometimes not as accurate as I should be. I'm just going to
warn you now in the event you have to respond to any of my future
questions that I never took Latin nor did I take any classes in
college of the type that would have exposed me to the manner in
which Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, and Species
should be referenced ;-p. <No worries. I apologize if you
found my clarifications of the science here to be pedantic.>
Now, turning to your questions/comments. In all seriousness,
thanks for the help that is embedded in your other comments. I
see now that I was not feeding this coral at the right time and I
will try to feed after lights-out (if I can stay up that late).
<No need to stay up too late if you adjust your lighting
schedule so that the lights go off towards the end of the
afternoon (maybe 6 or 7 pm).> First, prior to my acquisition,
the coral was living on the outer edges of MH lighting (probably
250W, but I must confess that I have no clue). I'm sure some
of its issues are that it needs to adjust to my environment.
<Probably> Second, I read that Blasto. Merleti primarily
feed through photosynthesis on: 1. Liveaquaria.com: <Ugh,
unfortunately, this is not exactly an authoritative source of
information.> "Its body contains the symbiotic algae
Zooxanthellae from which it receives the majority of its
nutritional requirements through photosynthesis. <Wow, this is
just wrong. Corals do not obtain their "nutritional
requirements" from photosynthesis.> It does not require
additional food to maintain its health in the reef
aquarium, <This could be true if the tank as a whole is
well feed. In well-fed tanks, healthy colonies of these corals
can get all they need without target feeding. For some good
general information on how to feed a reef tank, please see here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/cav1i3/Progressive_Recipe/Progressive_Recipe.htm>
but it will feed on micro-plankton or foods designed for filter
feeding invertebrates." 2. Reefcorner.com: "Feeding:
Blastomussa is photosynthetic and does not take any known
foods." <Again, just flat out wrong.> 3. On WWM
(http://www.wetwebmedia.com/mussidae.htm): "Though all are
hermatypic, photosynthetic, most are voracious feeders of meaty
foods." <Yes, this is accurate.> And the same on many
other sites. After searching again today, I found a post from
Anthony Calfo: "The real key to success with these (and
most) corals is feeding. 3-5 times weekly ideally (or more). Use
meats of marine origin/zooplankton substitutes. Cyclop-eeze is a
great choice. Flying fish eggs (for sushi) are great too. For
smaller polyped corals, DT's natural diet (oyster eggs). Best
regards, Anthony" <Yep, I agree with Anthony here.> As
you can see from the above, there is a lot of conflicting advice
with respect to this coral, which is one of the reasons I posed
my question to WWM in the first place. <I can understand your
frustration. There is a lot of misinformation (and out-dated
information) out there. Though it's getting a bit dated, E.
Borneman's "Aquarium Corals" is still a good source
for information on captive coral care. As for internet sources,
obviously, I think WWM is your best bet. :-)> Third, by my
calculations, at least on paper, I have 2195gph of total
circulation, which is 20x total tank volume. Let's be
realistic, however, and assume that I get 2/3 of that, which
leaves me with 13.3 x turnover. The info you linked suggests a 10
to 20 x volume turnover, so it would appear that I'm in the
lower end of that range and could stand to add another power
head. <Yep. Knowing how to arrange your live rock helps too
(make sure it stays away from the sides of the tank and avoid
building big walls of rock). Since you're using power heads,
you might find this helpful:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/cav1i4/power_heads/Power_Heads.htm>
Fourth, why the "::sigh::" in response to my listing of
parameters and statement that I believed they evidence that my
water quality is good? Is there something else that the typical
hobbyist should be looking for on a regular basis or something
that I am not doing enough of/doing wrong, or was my comment just
plain foolish (and if so, please explain so I can learn from
this)? Please understand that I was simply doing my best to give
you as much information about my tank, measured water quality and
other factors as I could to assist you in understanding my
problem--I was under the impression that you guys appreciated
that. <I'm sorry if you were offended. The ::sigh:: was
because I'm playing a drinking game with Bob involving any
time someone says their water quality is "perfect" or
"excellent" based on nutrient test kit results. No, no,
just kidding! <<Gulp! I already drank mine. Dang! B>>
Seriously now though, yes, it is very good to be testing
these things. And you have my genuine respect for being such a
prudent and responsible aquarist. However, I would advice you not
to let these test kits give you too much of a false sense of
security. These test kits don't always tell you as much as
you'd really like to know. For example, the phosphate test
kits don't test for organic phosphates. More generally,
we're actually quite limited in what we can test for (while
some things are taken up before they can be detected).
Additionally, it's difficult to define what
"perfect" or "excellent" water quality even
is because it's relative to what kinds of coral you are
keeping.> Andy <Best, Sara M.>
Re: Blasto merleti 10/25/07 Dear Sara,
Thanks for your genuine response and helpful thoughts. <my
pleasure> Notwithstanding the limited amount of time that I
have in my life for this hobby, I try really hard to understand
the hobby and to keep a good tank and clean water for my pets.
<Indeed, I can tell you care very much for them.> Of course
I have made, and will make, mistakes in livestock selection/care
despite good intentions and research. <It happens to us
all.> As you might have guessed, I am no biologist or fish
scientist (but do have a B.S. in mechanical engineering, which I
haven't used in 12 years), but I do "get"
scientific concepts. <Yes, I think any kind of science
background helps. But you'll be surprised by how much
biological science you'll naturally pick up as you read and
learn more about the hobby.> I just think you guys sometimes
forget that most of us have nowhere near the incredible
background and knowledge that you have. <Thank you. As I said,
I do apologize if I seemed pedantic or persnickety (<--great
word, isn't it?).> Although there are a few lazy people
out there, I suspect most posters are like me--they try to
research issues before asking/doing and have genuinely good
intentions when asking questions. <We do appreciate your
questions.> I look forward to being a pain in your butt in the
near future. <I do too. :-)> Andy <Best, Sara M.>
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Mussidae Family/Feeding
5/23/06 Hello guys, <Hello Paul> I have a gorgeous
meat that doesn't look like it is doing very well (bones showing ?)
I haven't fed him anything in a few months. What can I feed him ?
Thank you for the help. <Read here and linked files above
it. http://www.wetwebmedia.com/mussidfdgfaqs.htm
Paul
Unhappy Symphyllia 12/31/03 I purchased a
beautiful Symphyllia about a week and a half ago and it is not
happy in my system. <it really does not look bad
in the pic... just irritated as evidenced by the issue of
defensive filaments> It is mounted somewhat vertically in the
bottom of my tank (75 gallon with 260 watts PC
lighting). <the lighting is not worry here...
Symphyllia are adaptable to lower light and require heavy (almost
daily) feedings regardless of lighting (they are not sustained
adequately by photosynthesis)> There is some white recession
on the top edge and the bottom of the coral has exuded it's
digestive system in what appears to be small round tan
bumps. I have enclosed a pic that was taken after a
Lugol's dip. The little strings that are in the
pic appeared after the dip but are now gone.
<ahhh... no worries then. The recession may simply have been
due to mishandling prior to your purchase. It simply needs time
to heal. Do not move this coral around (or any.. very stressful).
Put it in a good place and simply let it adjust for some weeks.
Keep it at a safe distance from other corals too to allow for
growth> It does not extend it's feeding tentacles at night
and has not eaten since I got it. I've had it in 3
different locations in the tank and this makes no
difference. <yikes! this is a surefire way to
stress if not kill a coral. No wonder its not eating either. The
movement drains significant biological energies> I have read
that it can be sensitive to Xenia and I do have some in the
tank. <I seriously doubt that. In fact... I'm
nearly sure of it. Xeniids are one of the most weakly
noxious/aggressive of all soft corals.> It is approximately a
foot away from it. The only corals in close proximity
are a fox coral, red open brain and cup.
<"close" needs to be defined here... but I'll
say at least 10" distance needs to be between corals
minimum... and further for aggressive species> I'm really
worried about it dying on me. All of my other corals
are doing great.....it's the first coral I've bought that
is not. <more patience are needed here mate>
Other corals are Anthelia (about 2 feet away) some mushroom
anemones (about 2 feet away), and a frogspawn (about 8 inches
away). <the frogspawn is a serious and present
threat... way too close for this extremely aggressive coral (they
do not need to touch... noxious exudations> I have an Emperor
280, Emperor 400 and a Remora Pro skimmer on the
tank. Calcium is running 400, alk 10.2, nitrates are
2, no ammonia or nitrites. I have changed the
cartridges in the filters so there is fresh carbon
running. What else can I do to help this beautiful
coral? Thanks for you time in answering...... Janey
<give it time and do have a long term plan for the tank. DO
not overstock and please allow room for growth, assuming you hope
this unnatural mix of corals will live long term for you. Best of
luck, Anthony>
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Cynarina looks sad Bob I enjoyed hearing you at the MARS
meeting and watching your slide show a few months back in Sacramento. I
wanted to ask you about a Cynarina, I think his common name is a button
coral, I purchased in July. He seems to be slowly shrinking. He still
fills up and expands but not as big as he used to. <Why do you
think this is so?> I have him placed near the top of the aquarium
with MH and power compacts. Not a lot of water movement there. My water
tests are good. Calcium at 455 DKH 9 and 0 ammonia, nitrite and
nitrate. I was told he only needs light. <You know there is
more to this> But then I read they do put out feeder tentacles to
trap food. I have never seen this. I only feed the tank frozen brine
shrimp and flake food for the fish. The only other corals are a Colt
and Green Star Polyps. Is his problem food related and should I be
feeding the tank something additionally for the corals?
<Yes> I also read he is a low light coral so I thought about
moving him but I didn't want to make matters worse either. Any
suggestions would be appreciated Thanks Jim Uptegrove <Do look about
more... and try other foods/feeding moda... these are
"planktivorous" species to a large/r degree. Bob
Fenner>
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