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Mixing Scribbled Angelfish <Video
Link> 8/3/18
Dear Crew
<Hi Ignatio>
I just want to ask you the possibility mixing scribbled angelfish (male
and female) more than 1 pair in one tank (as you can see in the attached
video).
<Next time please place the video in the cloud or YouTube and send us
just the link to see it.>
Tank dimension in that video only 2 m * 1 m * 0.5 m with so many fishes
in there without any aggression at all with no rock or a hiding place.
<Is this a holding tank? If so, fish won´t be there for long and
aggression is dissipated because of the number of fish kept in there>
Will they eventually sick in long term or not? (or fight each other) or
they can be maintain just like that.
<Angelfish are very belligerent towards its own kind and Dubolays are no
exception, You may try starting with a trio of small specimens as they
are less aggressive when young, be sure to introduce them all at once;
nevertheless a 130 gallon tank like the one on the video is too small
for long term success, you should attempt this in a tank of a few
hundred gallons as a bare minimum.>
Note: the salinity was set on 1.015 to prevent disease. I saw the fishes
in there are really in top condition .. ate like a pig and didn't afraid
with human
<Yes, they look in excellent health>
Thanking you all in advance
Brgds
Ignatio
<You are welcome. Wilberth>
Re: mixing scribbled angelfish male
8/7/18
Dear Wilberth
Sorry for late reply
<Next time please place the video in the cloud or YouTube and send us
just the link to see it.>
ok sorry for the trouble
<Is this a holding tank? If so, fish won´t be there for long and
aggression is dissipated because of the number of fish kept in there>
Yes it is a holding tank but I've watched the fish already 2 weeks now
What about if I put 4 adult male scribbled angelfish (30 cm each) in
tank dimension 300 cm * 90 cm * 40 cm with no rock in there, I'll give
plenty vigorous water circulation, Wavemaker, will they fight or still
they confused who is going to attack who?
Thank you for your advise Wilberth
Brgds
Ignatio
Re: mixing scribbled angelfish male
8/7/18
Dear Wilberth
<<Ignatio>>
sorry for late reply
<<No worries>>
<Next time please place the video in the cloud or YouTube and send us
just the link to see it.>
ok sorry for the trouble
<<It´s ok, we posted it >>
<Is this a holding tank? If so, fish won´t be there for long and
aggression is dissipated because of the number of fishes kept in there>
Yes, it is a holding tank but I've watched the fish already 2 weeks now
<<Ok>>
What about if I put 4 adult male scribbled angelfish (30 cm each) in
tank dimension 300 cm * 90 cm * 40 cm with no rock in there, I'll give
plenty vigorous water circulation, Wavemaker, will they fight or still
they confused who is going to attack who?
<<You can try but they will still need hiding places as they are very
territorial, there is no absolute guarantee that they won´t fight,
eventually the dominant male will harass the other three.>>
Thank you for your advise Wilberth
<<Glad to help. Wilberth>>
Brgds
Ignatio
Stocking scribbled angelfish and his regal tang
1/17/13
Hi guys and girls, I have a quick question that hopefully won't take up
too much of your time, I have a friend who is thinking of selling his
scribbled angelfish and his regal tang, I haven't seen to <too> much
info on the scribbled angelfish on your site
<Read backward... re the genus, family>
and have read that the regal is fine in a tank of five foot or over, my
tank is 187 gallons (60x24x30). I was thinking of taking him up on his
offer but I would like to know if you guys think these two stunners
would have sufficient space in my tank before I go ahead and buy them.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Steve
<A three hundred gallon would be better, but if these fishes aren't too
large, the system not already crowded psychologically,
physiologically...
Bob Fenner>
Yellowtail Back Poma Angel,
stkg./sel. 8/22/11
Bob, how are you today?
<Fine thanks>
This angel gets a number 2 in your book. If this angel looks healthy
and eats great after a week at the dealer, are my chances pretty good
for his survival?
<Better! Bob Fenner>
Thanks
re: Yellowtail Back Poma Angel, now PBT sel. as well
8/22/11
Thanks, there is also a powder blue tang grazing all over the
rocks and also eating Brine shrimp. Should I go for the
initially healthy species and spend the 60 dollars? Just wanted your
opinion lol.
Thanks again
<Yes I would. B>
Queensland Yellowtail Angel, sel.
6/13/2011
Hey guys!
<Jay>
Just thought you might like to see this... My 4" Female
Personifer from Blue Zoo Aquatics. She's been in a 55 QT for
2 weeks and is eating like a chainsaw as you'll see. What a
beautiful healthy fish they sent me! Great place.
<A gorgeous specimen indeed, and thank you for sharing. Due to
the size of our server, please do not send large files to us in
the future. James (Salty Dog)>
-Jay
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Fish Compatibility/Marine Fish/Compatibility, 70 gal.,
FO 3/30/10
Hello friends ...
<Daniel>
I'm planning to keep the following fish in an aquarium of 70
gallons:
-Longnose Butterfly
-Singapure <Singapore or Vermiculated Angelfish> angel
<This fish can be very difficult to acclimate. Do make sure you
witness the fish eating before buying and has no caved in
stomach.>
-Flame angel
-Starcki damsel
<Is one of the lesser aggressive damsels.>
The questions are as follows:
1) The tank has enough space?
<Borderline with the Longnose and Singapore.>
2) They are compatible?
<Yes, with the Flame Angel going in last.>
3) What would be the best sequence of introduction?
<The Singapore Angel should go in first, and ensure the Singapore is
eating well and fattening up before introducing any other fish to the
system.
Then introduce the Longnose, damsel, and Flame Angel.>
4) What is the greatest difficulty in keeping these animals
together?
<As I mentioned, the Singapore Angel can be difficult to acclimate
to prepared foods, and this
fish, along with the butterfly and Flame Angel have a better chance of
acclimating when introduced to established systems (6-12 months) with
plenty of quality live rock.>
Thanks for your help!
<You're welcome, and please search our site before writing, as
answers to many of your questions can be found there. James (Salty
Dog)>
Regards
Stuginski
Chaetodontoplus conspicillatus, Sel., $ --
01/28/09
Hello Bob,
<James>
Your description of the subject fish (Wednesday's dailies) as to
being expensive is an understatement. From what I understand, getting
this fish for $1600.00 would be a steal, that is if you could find one
without getting on a one year or more waiting list.
James
<See? Time to get on out and do a bit of collecting... B>
Re: Chaetodontoplus conspicillatus
I believe these fish are only found in the Great Barrier Reef. Would be
on the pricey side getting there.
<James, think BIG! You're going to collect more than one.
B>
Re: Chaetodontoplus conspicillatus
Your not drinking by any chance, are you?
<Not yet...>
Question about false personifer, sel.,
beh. 8/27/09
Hey there Crew, it's Grant from Alaska asking questions again.
<Hello Grant>
I've ordered a small false personifer, it will be somewhere in the
2"-2.5" range.
<Wow; this is small>
I have tried a large scribbled angel before which I know is relatively
similar to a false personifer and I had issues with it not adapting to
captivity well, so I'm trying a small version of it this time.
<Understood, and agreed; though 3-4 overall inches is more to my
liking>
I've read pretty much all there is to read about care for the
angels and I have experience with keeping angels in my display, but my
question is about sexing the fish. Coming in at under 2.5" makes
me think the fish will
definitely be female with a chance of changing to male. Do you know if
pretty much all angels, if started in the tank small enough, will
change to male over time due to the lack of another male of their
species being in
the system?
<Most all do>
I have a small flame angel harem (4 of them) in my 210 and one
definitely changed to male while the rest are female, which is exactly
what I wanted.
I know that if the male died, the most dominant female would start
getting a 6 o'clock shadow and eventually turn male. Does that same
theory apply to single false personifers?
<Yes; all Pomacanthids as far as I'm aware>
If so, it would lead me to believe that given time, the 2.5" fish
would eventually be a male in my tank.
<In time, yes>
I guess what I'm really getting at is I want to end up with a male
false personifer without paying $400 for one and having to get it at
the 5-6" range. Do I pretty much just have a 50/50 chance that it
will be male, or
will keeping it as the sole false personifer in the tank up my chances
highly of it becoming a male?
Grant
<Are protogynous hermaphrodites... BobF>
Re: Question about false personifer
8/28/09
Thanks for the quick answer! I guess all there is to do now is wait, I
receive the fish in about 3 hours, I'm excited. It's amazing
how much I look forward to getting fish :)
<Ahh!>
Do you think 2-2.5" is too small, as in it will be too hard to
keep alive?
<No... my stmt. has to do with an "average" best size
range... ones too small prove to be too delicate, not good at surviving
the rigours of collection, holding, shipping... And ones "too
large" poor adaptors to captive conditions...>
I was shooting for the smallest fish I thought would have a good chance
of shipping and surviving. In my mind, 3" would have been ideal
but I was only able to find either the 2-2.5" or else go with 5+
inches.
<I see>
I feed mainly spectrum pellets and both of these fish, the small regal
and scribbled, are already eating a mix of prepared foods at Bluezoo so
I'm hoping I can quickly wean them over to pellets, although
I'm sure willing to do half clam, Mysis, brine shrimp, whatever is
needed to get them eating and then I'll slowly switch them to
pellets. I've had pretty good luck so far with getting fish eating
NLS.
<Is a superior stock feed>
I hope it works!
Grant Gray
<Me too! B>
Gem tangs and Conspiculatus angels for sale -- 03/20/08
Bob, <Sean> Hope all is well, it's been a while since our
last conversation. Currently we have both Gem tangs and Conspiculatus
angels in stock. <Wish we were diving in the Mascarenes and N.
Australia right now!> I was wondering if you knew of anyone looking
for these rare fish. Feel free to post my information on your boards.
Thanks for any help you might be able to offer. <Hotay, will do so.
Cheers, Bob Fenner> Sean Stalter Saltwater Connections _alligatorkid@aol.com_
Mud Filters, Expensive Chaetodontoplus,
Clarions/Mexico Collecting Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:05:44 EST
Hello Bob, I have several questions today. My first: what is your
opinion and what have you heard about the Eco System?
<Leng Sy's business? As in "Miracle Mud"? A strong
concept, and "proven" technology... I use the same sorts of
activity, applied principles in our experimental tanks, farm here...
but not Leng's mud... too much money for my pocketbook> My
friend and I just built a couple (can't build the mud
though$$$). <Ah... and for browsers, the link to this company
is to be found on the pages of the same name on www.wetwebmedia.com and
considerably more on mud filtration in a FAQ archive file there of the
same name> Due to some miscalculations, I built one
suitable for an 80 gallon tank, but it is going on a 15 gallon
reef. <No worries. Can't be too big... the reciprocal is
possible> Next, my girlfriends 6 gallon Eclipse reef tank has a
mantis shrimp in it. <Keep the first, get rid of the last>
I can only hear him. The trap to catch him is about as big as the
damn tank. The only fish in it are a pair of tomato clowns. What
can I do? <Drain, the tank, inspect the removed rock (watch
your fingers!). Do this while the girlfriend is away... as a
present/gift... Much better than the very real possibility of this
animal consuming the Clowns... much more overstressing...> Moving
rocks is out of the question; it has done so well since we stopped
messing with it. Last question: tell me everything you know about
the Conspicillatus Angelfish. <A beauty, and if purchased healthy,
gotten to feed on formulated foods, fresh/meaty ones... can be kept for
many years... In very large systems (hundreds of gallons). Pretty much
all I know is stored in archives on the genus Chaetodontoplus on the
www.wetwebmedia.com site. Oh, and I think Leng still has one...
gorgeous, at his shop in Orange County> I saw one today in a store
in Oakland. No where have I seen a real price. They just say
"call us." Well, apparently if you have to "call"
anyone for a price, you will not be happy. The thing cost $1500,
and was already bought. Is this a reasonable price? <A bit
high... Maybe give the mail-order/internet businesses a ring, check
pricing from them (FFExpress.com is a good start here)... s/b able to
find a nice enough specimen for $500-800 US> I am intrigued by this
terribly expensive angelfish. Many angelfish from the region are
not nearly as expensive. I know it comes from deep water. I am
actually very curious about the techniques used to catch deep
water fish, if you can point me towards and article. The store
owner also said Clarions cannot be imported anymore. True or
not. Thanks a lot, Josh <Actually, as of last year
the "ban" on collection is Mexico is off, and the few
Holacanthus clarionensis that were coming shatteringly (is this
English?) from points further south have been surpassed by Steve
Robinson's efforts in "the amigo country".... see the
article et al on Clarion's posted on the WWM site as well. Bob
Fenner>
The scribble angel and Personifer angel hi Mr. BOB, how
do you rate scribble angel and Personifer angel? <Highly... if in
good shape, put in large enough (hundreds of gallons) systems, with
lots of healthy live rock (with sponges, tunicates to chew on,
regularly fed... live for good long times... and are gorgeous,
intelligent centerpieces> and what is the best size to start with?
<About four inches overall length is best> And if to rate them
with passer angel scale up to ten what will you give them. <Good
question... six for survivability, nines for looks> Lastly did you
enjoy yourself at the Aquarama? <Absolutely my friend. Glad it
doesn't go on for more than a few days, I'd lose my voice. Bob
Fenner> CHEER!
Thirteen hundred smackers for a Chaetodontoplus Angel?!
Hello bob, Just a few quick questions is 1300 dollars to high for a
conspicuous angel? <Thirteen hundred dollars U.S.? For how large a
specimen? Yes, in my opinion, too much but for the most high quality,
large, show specimen.> Do they usually do pretty well in captivity?
<This angel does well when received in good condition, given large
enough systems and foods...> Is a 400 gallon efficient to keep them
in their hole life? I just wouldn't want to lose a fish like this
because of the high price? <I understand and a four hundred gallon
should do, unless overcrowded with other life. Bob
Fenner>
Conspicillatus angelfish Hi, I am going to get a
conspicillatus angel off the marine center in a month or so. I asked
them the price they said something like 1900 dollars. I was reading
your faq on Chaetodontoplus angels and you said 1300 was a lot. Now
that seems 1900 is a lot. But I want to get it from the marine center
since there fish are excellent quality. But I was wondering if you have
any tips on keeping them, what are there requirements, etc. I want to
know everything you know about them. I may seem stupid in fishes, but I
have much experience in keeping angels. Thanks! <The price of such
"show" specimens (with or w/o quotation marks) varies
greatly... with size, country of origin, relative currency strength,
availability... For such a large investment I would do a good deal of
searching on the various BB's, chatforums re actual keepers of this
species and its congeners... as well as asking the fine folks at Marine
Center what their experience is with this individual and the species.
What little personal experience I have is posted on WetWebMedia.com.
You might want to use the Google Search feature for the genus, species
there (on the homepage and indices). Bob Fenner>I was thinking of
purchasing one of these angels for my 125gal tank. I was wondering if
you had any experience with these and if you could give me a few
pointers. also do you think it would fight with a dwarf angel? I have a
true lemon peel and I love him and wouldn't want them fighting. I
didn't think they would as they look so different and I have read
that the larger angels and dwarfs wont fight. but they are a similar
size but the Chaetodontoplus mesoleucos is a little larger. thanks in
advance. Will C< They will probably be ok. But the
mesoleucos is kind of a touchy angel and there are many better
choices. If you do decide to get the angel make sure he is
eating and interested in his environment. Be sure to
quarantine him! You can find more info here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/chaetodonoplus/
Cody>
Blue spotted angelfish question, Chaetodontoplus
sel. -- 02/07/08 Hello, <Hi there Rob> As always, great
site, use it all the time. I have a question about the blue spotted
angelfish ( Chaetodontoplus caeruleopunctatus ). I have an opportunity
to purchase this angel or a gray Poma. In your opinion, which has a
better survival rate? <Both about the same... "medium"
historically> I am no novice, been keeping salts for 20+ years and
have had good luck with angelfish. In fact I have an 8 year old female
swallowtail angelfish and a 4 year old majestic and I have raised
emperors from juvie to adult, had a pair of coral beauties for 3 years,
they even spawned once - true story. <All three of these are harder
to keep than Chaetodontoplus> Currently I have a very healthy, fat,
eats everything in sight Singapore angel. <The best member of the
genus> I have had him for about 6 months and would like to try
another member of this genus. I did read the info on your site but a
more informed, personal opinion would be greatly appreciated. thank you
Rob Mancabelli <If you can secure an initially healthy, feeding
specimen of either species, you should do fine. Bob
Fenner>
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