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Coral Beauty Angelfish 12/11/19
Hello
<Hello>
We recently had a coral beauty angelfish become sick and die. We removed the
fish just as he died. Are you able to identify what the disease is from these
photos? It appeared to be white fuzz and fin rot since the side fin deteriorated
away.
<Does look like Lymphocystis, a virulent disease especially common in tanks
where fish are already stressed due to poor water quality, unfortunately it has
no cure, the only option is to improve the fish health through good nutrition
and vitamin supplements, in addition to maintaining pristine water conditions in
a stress-free tank.>
Thank you for any help!
<Most welcome. Wil.>
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Coral beauty hole in the head 11/16/19
Hello Crew! I’ve had this Coral beauty in my DT (90 gal) for almost a month. On
the 4th day I noticed few fine white dots on his fins, then on his head, which
basically never totally disappeared (very fine, like fine salt),
<Just on the head? I'll assume this is what you mean/intend.>
barely visible without a magnifier and a flashlight, and of course my first
thought was ICH, but my tangs were spot-free.
<Not Crypt>
I have to mention here that I am fighting black ich (had it on my tangs) with
PraziPro in my DT.
<Simple freshwater baths (pH adjusted) will rid them of Paravortex. This is gone
over on WWM. Search for it>
The CB never ate very well (noticed white stringy feces the second day I put him
in the DT), sometimes he would grab food (frozen food) just to spit it out
later. He was swimming normally, picking at the LR, not showing any anxiety,
displaying normal colors, but he got really skinny.
<Mmm; I'd have treated en route (in isolation, quarantine, treatment tank) w/
Metronidazole along w/ the Prazi>
The other day I noticed a white spot (2-3 mm large)on his forehead, right in the
middle, between the eyes and the dorsal fin (the picture I managed to take is
pretty blurry).
<Nothing attached or linked>
Today the spot was a little larger and white, it looks like the skin went off
and you can see the bone!
<Not good>
He hides most of the time, and surprisingly he came out for food, didn’t really
eat, but he is hungry and starving. My questions to you are: is this treatable,
and with what medication?
<Mentioned above. I'd also add Selcon or equivalent to offered foods and the
water itself>
Any chances he could recover?
<Some>
And do you believe this may be contagious?
<Could be...>
Thank you again for your help! Cristina
<Do send along the pic. Bob Fenner>
API Fish Medication... Mainly Metro-, Prazi-
8/24/18
Hi Bob,
<Hey Branko>
I've been having issue obtaining Metronidazole and Praziquantel locally. I was
thinking of trying out API General Cure, if manufacturer is to be trusted it
contains nothing but Metro and Prazi and is very effective in treating parasitic
worms on the fish.
<The Prazi/quantel is... might be cheaper if you're using very much to just buy
from a pharma source. I think Hikari sells it in bulk if you have a distributor
locally>
I've found a new supplier which im overall happy with except some of their fish
come with some form of Monogeneans (if im not mistaken).
<VERY common>
Fresh water dip usually takes care of it, however its way too much stress for
some fish and I'd like to avoid losing fish due to that stress.
<Understood>
After reading up on API general cure I've noticed they have wide variety of
other medications in their offer, are they any good? If yes which are worth
looking into?
<All their "older" offerings are efficacious. DO avoid the more modern "herbal"
"fixes"... they're shams>
Other than that I've seen Everything Aquatics advertising
similar medication blends, as well as 100% pure active ingredients. This is my
second choice, simply because I believe it will be easier to clear API's
products on customs. Please advise on what would you use if customs is not
something to worry about.
<My take on all is posted on WWM. Do you have a copy of Ed Noga, Fish Disease,
Diagnosis and Treatment? Either the 1st or 2d edition is highly recommended as
a/the ONE source for reference>
Ps. I have discovered that Centropyge Angels can be easily kept in CU, when
introduced slowly, 0.02ppm per day, and with a chelated CU mix with 16/1 ratio
of CU/citric acid (hope this helps your readers) :)
<Ah yes; I thank you>
Looking forward to your much valued advice.
Ps Happy Birthday! :)
B.
<Ahh, again, appreciated. Bob Fenner>
Re: API Fish Medication; now Prazi avail., Centropyge dis. pic.
8/24/18
Hi,
<Bran>
Thank you for swift reply.
<Sure>
Our local pharm company charges 350$ for 25 grams. While in the US 500$ 1kg.
Just ridiculous.
<?! I'd contact Hikari:
http://www.hikariusa.com/wp/solutions/healthaid/prazipro/
Their liquid prep. in one gallon is very useful... and already solubilized
(i.e., in solution)>
Ps please refer to a pictures of Centropyge heraldi which are in attachment.
What could cause that kind of damage? We did fw dip nothing fell off.
<.... can't tell much from a pic. Need sampling, microscopic examination...
Looks like a bacterially infected physically damaged area>
Fish has internal parasites it looks like it ate a whole marble
<... infection. Bob Fenner>
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saltwater fish survival rates. Centropyge (sel. f')
6/7/18
Hello,
<Brian>
Are there statistics on the average number of specimens of a given
saltwater species a hobbyist must purchase before acquiring one that
lives beyond a few days?
Thanks,
Brian Waldbaum
<Mmm; there have been such data accumulations. In recent times efforts
by Andrew Rhyne, Kevin Erickson... more extensive accounts years back by
Tetra (Press Int'l). I (Robert Fenner) give my "general impressions" re
such in articles, books I've penned. Do you have a specific fish, group
in mind?
Have you searched/read on WWM re? The FAQs on "selection" are a good
place to go after reading the general title/subject on a taxon. Bob
Fenner>
Re: saltwater fish survival rates 6/7/18
Hello,
<Bri>
Thanks for the response. I'm interested in Centropyge.
<Oh! Some European public aquariums have kept some species of this genus
into the teens of years; a few into twenty some years>
I got into the saltwater side of the hobby after 18 years as a
freshwater hobbyist in order to keep a dwarf angel. I read up on
saltwater fishkeeping beforehand, and the take-away lessons seemed to
be: 1) marine fish are more sensitive than freshwater fish, and 2)
marine parasites are much more resilient and virulent than their
freshwater counterparts.
<I do agree w/ these general statements. Do take into account that the
majority of freshwater fishes are captive produced nowayears,
less-exposed to pathogens, more inclined to adapt to captive conditions.
In time, likely marines that are aquacultured for successive generations
will likewise "harden".>
But even after taking those factors into account, I never succeeded in
keeping a dwarf angel alive for more than a month. Many died within 48
hours in the quarantine tank. Since entering the hobby, I've lost 6
loricula, 2 ferrugata, 1 bispinosa, and 1 acanthops. I purchased them
from a variety of sources, including online retailers and LFS. Needless
to say, I have now left the hobby.
Are my results typical, or am I simply not cut out for the hobby?
<They are not atypical (unfortunately). I have been a part of the
ornamental trade for more than half a century; and thus can/will attest
that the high incidental mortality of Centropyge spp. are largely a
matter
of rough handling, storage, shipping practices... incremental damage,
stress from starvation, holding... The few specimens, crosses that have
been captive-produced have been much more hardy. There are some "clues"
I offer on WWM, elsewhere re picking out more hardy species,
specimens... and providing reasonable-optimized settings for dwarf
angelfish husbandry>
Thanks,
Brian Waldbaum
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
Goldflake angel white stringy poop
5/5/18
Hi Crew,
<Hello Keith,>
I've a situation whereby My adult goldflake's appetite started to decline till
the stage it stopped eating completely couple of days before.
<Oh dear. Have you check environmental conditions first? Nine times out of ten,
fish stop feeding because they're stressed, and that stress is usually
environmental. For sure, diseases can be a problem, but there's no point
medicating unless you're 100% sure the environment is right, because even if the
fish is medicated, it won't get better if the environmental stress is still
there. To recap: Goldfish need plenty of space (I'd suggest 120 litres for the
first adult, and another 50-60 litres for each additional specimen). The tank
should be filtered, with zero ammonia and nitrite.
Water chemistry isn't critical, but shouldn't be soft or acidic; 10-25 degrees
dH, pH 7-8.5 are good.>
I was trying to diagnose the symptoms till I saw a strong of white poop. I
concluded it's definitely an internal parasitic issues.
<On the basis of what? Stringy white faeces imply excessive mucous production,
and while this can be a sign of Hexamita infection, or even worms, it's also a
sign of constipation or poor diet, specifically, the
absence of fresh greens. Constipated fish will be 'off their food' in some
cases, though admittedly not always, and since constipation is exceedingly
common among pet Goldfish, it's a really good idea to 'tick' this off your
checklist before medicating. Do read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fwsubwebindex/gldfshmalnut.htm
Fresh green foods, plus Epsom salt, can help a great deal.>
Given that it isn't eating, hopefully for now, will there be any course of
action which I can further consider? I've already performed medicating the QT
with Metroplex, however I've read that it may not be effective if the fishes
ain't eating the medicine.
<Seachem MetroPlex can be added to the water, and while arguably less effective
dosed that way, fish still absorb the medicine via passive drinking, and yes, it
can work. Do remember to remove carbon from the filter (if used) and follow the
instructions to the letter.>
Fish is still rather responsive but show no interest in food.
<Indeed. Have you performed a decent water change, say, 25-50% water change?
Assuming water chemistry stays the same, and water temperature changes are
minimal, this sort of 'freshening up' and have a strong tonic effect on ailing
fish. If they do perk up after such a water change, even for a short while, this
can imply an environmental issue.>
Thank you
Keith
<Hope this helps, Neale.>
Re: Goldflake angel white stringy poop
5/5/18
Hi Neale
Thank you for the quick reply. The above fish i was mentioning is a marine angel
Goldflake. Assuming it's Hexamita, will fresh water dip do any good?
Or just continue treating with metro?
Thank you
<Yikes! Misread that. Thought it was goldfish you were talking about. Any old
how... freshwater dips aren't going to help with internal problems much, if at
all. They're really about using osmotic shock to stress (small) external
pathogens before the (larger) host animal is harmed. I'd instead be looking at
medicating as per Hexamita, but also reviewing HLLE, a very common problem with
Pomacanthids given their specialist diets in the wild.
In other words, white faeces is a good indicator of irritation of the digestive
system, and while Hexamita is possible, worms might also be to blame, so think
about those as well. So far as diet goes, it's the lack of greens that's
probably the key, but whether the full range of algae types can be completely
satisfied in marine systems is up for debate; that being the case, I'd be
looking at the use of vitamins and perhaps an Iodine supplement to help turn
things around. Let me direct you to some reading.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/vitaminmarfaqs.htm
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/marine/fishes/angels/index.htm
I've cc'ed Bob Fenner here; he's far more knowledgeable re: marines than me, and
he'll pick up on anything I've overlooked. Cheers, Neale.>
Goldflake angel white stringy poop
5/5/18
Hi Crew,
<Keith, am starting out fresh vis a vis Neale's response here>
I've a situation whereby My adult goldflake's appetite started to decline till
the stage it stopped eating completely couple of days before.
<Not good; and as Neale pointed out, most often an indication of something/s
gone afoul re environment... Water quality, aggression from tankmates>
I was trying to diagnose the symptoms till I saw a strong of white poop. I
concluded it's definitely an internal parasitic issues.
<Mmm; best to confirm by looking at a sample under a microscope...>
Given that it isn't eating, hopefully for now, will there be any course of
action which I can further consider?
<Do you have a separate, treatment system set up, or that you can...? MUCH
better to treat there than in the main/display system>
I've already performed medicating the QT with Metroplex, however I've read that
it may not be effective if the fishes ain't eating the medicine.
<Correct... You want/need to get the active ingredient (Metronidazole) inside
the fish. Fortunately marines (vs. freshwater) fishes do drink their
environment; hence the anti-protozoal may be introduced via the water here.
Additionally, I'd co-treat for intestinal worm possibilities. Do you need help
using the WWM search tool?>
Fish is still rather responsive but show no interest in food.
Thank you
Keith
<Welcome. Bob Fenner>
Re: Goldflake angel white stringy poop
5/5/18
Hi Neale
<Bob w/ you again Keith>
Thank you for the quick reply. The above fish i was mentioning is a marine angel
Goldflake. Assuming it's Hexamita, will fresh water dip do any good?
Or just continue treating with metro?
Thank you
<No to freshwater dips/baths for internal issues, and cautionary yes to using
Metronidazole. Search and READ re its use on WWM. NOT safe to keep exposing
fishes to. Need to treat full-strength for the duration of treatment, then no
more. Bob Fenner>
Re: Goldflake angel white stringy poop
5/6/18
Hi Bob
<Hey Keith>
Thank you for the speedy reply. Much appreciated! Ok will continue to treat with
Metronidazole (Metroplex Seachem) for the stated duration of 3 weeks days with
each treatment 48 hours apart (approx 10 dosages). However can only dose in
water as fish isn't eating :(
<Yes; again, for clarity; Metroplex by SeaChem can be used as a water-applied
treatment, formulation, or added to food (as with their Focus product)
https://seachem.com/metroplex.php
>
As to co treating with internal worms, what will be the preference? I was
thinking of co treating with PraziPro together. Will you recommend it as the
fish itself isn't eating but still responsive.
<Prazi is a good choice>
Thank you
Keith
<IF you're moving this fish, treating it in isolation I'd add Epsom Salt to the
regimen. Bob Fenner>
Re: Goldflake angel white stringy poop
5/6/18
Hi Bob
<Keith>
Thank you. Will treat with Metroplex/PraziPro/Epsom salt all together
concurrently. Tank is 120 litres, can I trouble you to advise how much Epsom
salt should be needed ?
<... please use WWM... Neale's article>
I'm afraid of overdosing, if any. Will the Epsom salt be necessary to dose once
off (Meaning i will not need to dose additional Epsom salt for subsequent water
change).
<Some; just what is removed percentage wise>
On another note, because the fish was caught in the DT with its symptoms, will
this be spreadable to others.
<Ah, good; can't tell re contagiousness w/o knowing what this actually is>
Thank you once again
<W. B>
Flame Angel's Sudden Death/Centropyge Health
12/10/09
Hi everyone
<Hello Michelle>
I was hoping maybe one (or more) of you could help me out.
<Will try.>
I have a 75 gallon FOWLR setup going for three months now. I just
recently added a Flame Angel and three days later he died. My levels
seem to be good with zero of ammonia and nitrite, and 30 of nitrate
along with around
8-8.1pH. The water has A LOT of circulation along with aeration and
about 50lbs. of live rock. I noticed that this flame was unbelievably
healthy at the store and then seemed to become sluggish after a day in
my tank. He was breathing VERY heavy for the last two days before he
died (what is the cause of this?). Do I have parasites that aren't
causing any white spots?
I do have a UV running to at least help with the parasite potential.
The only other thing I was thinking was that my salt level was about
.012 when I added him. I was had the salt low to help fight off some
Ich a few months back. I did acclimate him very slowly for about 2.5
hours upon arrival to my display tank. Could the rapid breathing be
caused by shock from major salinity differences from the fish store
tank to mine? Your feedback would be of great assistance. Along with
telling me what I did wrong and/or what I could have done different,
please answer my questions (along with possible reasons as to why this
fish may have been acting in such a manner) also if you could.
<First off, your tank is too "young" to introduce a Flame
Angel.
Secondly, they appreciate pristine water quality, and with a nitrate
level of 30ppm in a young tank, something here is amiss. A protein
skimmer is a must in marine systems and you did not mention the use of
one. Skimmers are a great boon in increasing water quality by removing
excess nutrients thereby lowering nitrate levels. Environmental stress
is likely what caused the death of your Flame Angel and the large
change in salinity over a short period of time just added to the
problem. Under stress, these angel species are highly susceptible to
Brooklynella and Oodinium infections, and it is possible the later may
have occurred. Did you notice any tan to blackish small dusty dots on
the fish?>
Thanks a bunch,
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Michelle
Re Flame Angel's Sudden Death/Centropyge Health
12/12/09
No, no black or white spots at all. If I had velvet wouldn't my
other fish have it too?
<Not necessarily.><<RMF strongly disagrees. All fishes
would very likely be infested>>
And you think it's a possibility that the heavy breathing was
caused by salinity changes and/or nitrates, or do you think it's
most likely a parasite?
<The lowered salinity was likely the onset of environmental
stress.>
And wouldn't the UV help a little bit with it, if it indeed
was?
<No.>
I am using a canister filter with bio balls and ceramic rings along
with a sand substrate. Should I change any of this to minimize nitrates
or can I leave it all alone and just purchase a protein skimmer?
<If you have a good deal of live rock, I'd remove portions of
the bio balls and ceramic rings. They can promote nitrates because of
their efficiency at denitrification.>
And if so, which skimmer do you recommend for a 90gal that is
affordable? I don't want to spend much more than $100.
<That's a tough one there especially since it has to be a
hang-on type. If I were on a budget, I'd likely go with the CPR
Cyclone BAK-PAK"¢ 2R+.
See here.
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=CPR-2R&Category_Code=Bakpak.
You may want to pose the skimmer question on one or more of the
bulletin boards, will see other folks opinions on skimmers in this
price range. James (Salty Dog)>
Re Flame Angel's Sudden Death/Centropyge Health
12/12/09
Thanks James.
<You're welcome, Michelle.>
I have a little over 50lbs. of live rock in my 90, is that sufficient
enough to take out some bio balls and rings?
<Yes, when you clean your filter every week, remove 25% of them.
Also would help by adding another 20 pounds
of live rock. James (Salty Dog)>
Re Flame Angel's Sudden Death/Centropyge Health
1/10/10
Hey guys,
<Jason>
I forwarded this previous email so you would have an idea of what my
situation is/was.
<Is appreciated.>
At this point in time, since almost every remedy for parasites failed,
I will have to let my tank "go fallow". I discovered through
research and everyone's' help here at WWM.com, that I do in
fact have a very aggressive strain of Velvet in my tank. All of my fish
are on their way out and the ones that are living through it I will
take to the local pet store. My question is: Which number of weeks do
you think is necessary to eradicate this parasite from my tank, 6 or 8?
I want to be absolutely SURE that the life cycle of this parasite is
over and finished before adding anymore fish. Is 8 weeks even long
enough or shall I wait longer? And is this "fallow" remedy
enough to completely eradicate the parasite from my tank considering
there are no hosts for it?
<Six to eight weeks is recommended. I've seen an article where
this process could be sped up (2 weeks) by elevating the temperature to
95 degrees,
but I would play it safe and go 8 weeks.>
Thanks,
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Jason
Re Flame Angel's Sudden Death/Centropyge Health
1/10/10
Ok thanks James, but will this 8 week period eradicate the parasite
from my system considering there are no hosts?
<As Mr. Fenner states in his article, "None of these is 100%
effective in eradicating Amyloodinium from a system."
Read here.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/amylloodiniumart.htm James (Salty
Dog)>
Re Flame Angel's Sudden Death/Centropyge Health
1/11/10
Hey, something I forgot to ask.......won't the 55lbs. worth of live
rock in my tank act as a host for the Velvet? Or is it fish only? I
plan on leaving my live rock and sand bed in there, will this be ok
through the fallow period or will it decrease my chances of eradicating
the parasite?
<No, the parasites will require the fish to survive through another
complete cycle. Leaving your rock and sand bed will not only be fine,
but likely be optimal.>
Thanks
<Glad to help! -JustinN>
Coral Beauty and Flame Angel Mystery Deaths: Possible
Cyanide in Collection Need some more details 6/28/2009
Hi,
<Hi Dan.>
Searched through the site and I have an odd one for you.
<I do love a puzzle.>
We have an established 125 gal tank Water tested normal.
<Please, "normal" does not tell me anything. Actual
numbers are what we need.>
Tank has been up about 18 months. Stock is Cleaner shrimp, 3 Peppermint
shrimp, Watchman goby, Purple tang, Clarkii clown, Royal Gramma,
Strawberry Pseudochromis, 2 Chromis, Blue Damsel, Yellow tail Damsel,
Clown wrasse, and a purple lobster.
Running 2 1500 Cascade filters 24/7, close to 40lbs of live rock.
<Are you running a protein skimmer?>
Tank is peaceful and all get along. My girlfriend (GF from here on)
bought a Coral beauty and a Flame angel. Put them in the tank and they
were eating about 3 hours later. (introduced properly by mixing water
and temperature balancing.)
<No quarantine? At the very least, you can do a dip. Read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/dips_baths.htm >
They were both eating great and picking at rocks. 3 weeks later they
both die on the same day. No signs of stress or damage on the
bodies.
<How long did the fish store have these fish before you bought
them?>
The Beauty had Ick when we first got it, but it seemed to clear up with
the cleaner shrimp and Garlic extreme that was recommend by our
LFS.
<Ok.>
We went to the LFS and they agreed to replace both fish.
<Very generous fish store.>
We had them hold the new fish for 1 month and had them both freshwater
dipped, twice. Both fish came home after the month looking great.
<Are you sure they were the same fish? Unless it is a fish that is
known for dropping dead "mysteriously" like some of the large
Angels, or some of the Butterfly fish, it is better to quarantine at
home.>
We acclimatized them and into the tank they went. Once again they were
eating well and we got special
angel frozen food. (The frozen cube type, we feed Mysis, brine,
Cyclops, plankton. We also feed seaweed on a clip) Once again 3 weeks
to the day, just like before, they died on the same day. 4 fish all
lasted 3 weeks (21 days) then died. No signs of stress or damage.
<Do you know where the fish came from?>
We have had no other fish deaths (except for suicides from jumping out
of the tank.) The only variable is the temperature range of the tank.
It can drift 76-80 during the course of the day.
<A bit excessive, but not likely to be a cause here.>
My GF really wants those 2 fish but we really don't want to be
killing more of them. We have talked to all
the locals and no one had any ideas other then the tank might need a
grounding strap.
<You can check for stray voltage with a volt meter between the tank
water and a common ground. This is not likely the cause either.>
Any ideas?
<I can come up with three possible causes. 1. The fish were
collected using cyanide, in which case, they were doomed from the
start. 2. There is something in the tank that is killing them. Angels
are more sensitive to nitrate than most. 3. Your local fish store had
some bad\unhealthy fish get shipped in.>
<Do respond back with your testing results and any other information
you can provide.>
Thanks,
<My Pleasure.>
Dan...
<MikeV>
Centropyge eibli -
10/18/06 Hi Wet Web Media Crew < Good day to you sir. > I
have a question about my Centropyge eibli he has been in quarantine one
month and about 3-4 days ago I moved him into the main
tank. He is about 1.5". He is eating
good. I feed my tank Mysis shrimp, plankton, a carnivore
mix, emerald entree( a mix of algae foods), squid, brine shrimp as in
occasionally treat, flake food, an algae flake food, and a saltwater
mix. My Centropyge eibli is not scratching, not
lethargic, or do anything that would make you believe his is
sick. He just has these like blackish markings on him that I
noticed 2 days ago. They do not appear to be any
worse. There is no aggression towards the eibli in the
tank. These markings are black, I can not tell if they are
on the inside of the body or his scales, but you can see them, they are
pretty small and there is one on each side of his bodies in different
places one by the upper dorsal fin and one around his torso
area. They almost look like scraps, but I am not
sure. I have read all the FAQs on disease and selection
about Centropyge. I just want to make sure this is not
abnormal like they are just markings and no disease. Thanks for your
quick response. < From what you describe I would not be too
concerned. You may be observing a stress response from the move to the
new tank, or healing wounds possibly received while trying to find a
nice hiding spot in the rocks. Just observe for change and be prepared
to pull it out if stops feeding, looks worse, shows signs of disease
etc etc... > P.S. I could not get a picture of him because every
time I would get close enough to take a pick he would come out of the
rocks and dart back in because he saw me. < A good sign! Environmental awareness is a good indicator of health. Best of luck to
you! - Emerson >
Centropyge eibli - 10/19/2006 Hi Wet Web Media
Crew <Hi MacL here with you today,> I have a question
about my Centropyge eibli he has been in quarantine one month and about
3-4 days ago i moved him into the main tank. He is about
1.5". He is eating good. I feed my tank
Mysis shrimp, plankton, a carnivore mix, emerald entree( a mix of algae
foods), squid, brine shrimp as in occasionally treat, flake food, an
algae flake food, and a saltwater mix. My Centropyge eibli
is not scratching, not lethargic, or do anything that would make you
believe his is sick. He just has these like blackish
markings on him that I noticed 2 days ago. These markings are black, I
can not tell if they are on the inside of the body or his scales, but
you can see them, they are pretty small and there is one on each side
of his bodies in different places one by the upper dorsal fin and one
around his torso area. They almost look like scrapes, but I
am not sure. I have read all the FAQs on disease and
selection about Centropyge. I just want to make
sure this is not abnormal like they are just markings and no
disease. Thanks for your quick response. P.S. I could not get a picture
of him because every time I would get close enough to take a pick he
would come out of the rocks and dart back in because he saw me. <It
sounds like his behavior is normal. It could be where he has scratched
himself as he's adjusting to the new tank. Bumping into things when
he makes dashes or it could be an internal parasite as well. I
wouldn't go into high worry mode until he stops eating or has more
problems but I would cautiously watch him as well. I really
like eibli angels for their personalities after they settle. But I have
seen some of the Centropyge have problems with parasites that manifest
in this way. You feed a good mix and blend of food so that should help
and with your tank stable that will help as well. I might consider
adding garlic or some type of garlic food as a preventative, I've
seen it work. Should they become larger or more prominent
some other type of action might be needed.>
Coral Beauty, Pimple on Pectoral Fin--Popped? -
2/15/2006 (This is long, because there is a lot of
background. Per your WWM-etiquette page, that's how
you want it, I hope. The basic question is what I should
do about a pimple that looks like it either became a whitehead or
popped on my 3-4 week Coral Beauty in the Quarantine tank.)
<Mmm, the basic response: No...> Hi. Thanks so
much for the site. I spend several hours a week reading
the site since finding it last summer (summer
2005). Anyway, I have a 55 gallon display tank, and a 27
gallon QT, in which my problem arose. (tank specs are
below) I only have (1) 4 1/2" Tang and a 5"
Maiden Goby in my display tank (along with a sizeable cleaner
crew). Oh, I did add 5 Berghia Nudibranch(es?/i?)
<Just "s"> about a month ago to take care of an
Aiptasia problem, but I'm not sure if they are doing much or
not-haven't seen them for about three weeks, but that's an
aside. Anyway, about a month ago I purchased 3 white and
black striped Humbug Damsels and a Coral Beauty from my LFS.
Basically, my wife has been harassing me for months that I need
some more fish in my display tank, so I took her with me and let
her pick out some suitable (to both of us) community
fish. The guy at the store said that Coral Beauties are
super sensitive to changes in water, so I drip acclimated it for
about 2 1/2 hours, and the Damsels for maybe an hour or
so. I did not do a freshwater bath, particularly for the
Coral Beauty because I was concerned I was going to kill it due its
alleged sensitivity, and because I really didn't know
"how" to do it (had a couple casualties a year or two ago
leading to this fear). I just recently found that
article on using Methylene Blue freshwater dips, so I'm set
there for the future. The largest of the three Damsels began
pestering the smaller two almost immediately upon putting them in
the QT (I have about 7 pounds of LR, for hiding,
etc.). The day after I bought the fish, I noticed that
the Coral Beauty had a 1/4" to 3/16" pink pimple looking
thing where its left pectoral fin connects to its body (couple
photos at the following URL, but it's not very photogenic).
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/russjohnson/album?.dir=850f&.src=ph&store=&pro
did=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos <I see
it, but just barely> I searched your site, and couldn't find
anything that made me concerned about the pimple, so I just kept an
eye on it. I thought it may have been from a lack of
iodine, because this tank had been fallow for at least two or three
months (running, but with 1" of live sand, the rocks, a large
Penguin Charcoal filter, and some snails). My Tang got
Ich in October '05, so I moved him and the Goby up there to
treat-they both are happy now. Other than a couple water
changes, I really haven't touched the QT since they moved back
downstairs to the display tank, so that's why I added some
extra iodine and Kent's Essential Elements recently (about
5-20ml of each about 2-3 times a week). I did change the
QT water before adding the new fish and made sure the water quality
was near perfect. I thought the pimple may have been
from a lack of iodine due to some reading on the site...again not
sure, it was probably there when I bought it-moral of the story is
I shouldn't let my wife pick out fish, but this whole process
has really caused her to take some more interest in the fish, so
that's a good thing, if nothing else. Quarantine Tank Specs:
SG: 1.019 (I'm slowly raising it after Ich
treatment) <Good... 1.025> Temp: 83 (again,
lowering due to Ich treatment) pH: 8.2-8.3
Nitrates: ~20 (yes, I was surprised, I'll do a 50%
water change after this email; it was <10ppm about 10 days ago)
Ammonia: Zero Copper: ~.5 to .75ppm <Get
rid of this> Anyway, so about a week into the Quarantine, the
pimple was unchanged, but the Coral Beauty had developed Ich (could
it have been from not breaking the tank down?). <Likely the fish
had it... the tank is parasitized...> The big Damsel
had already killed the smallest Damsel (now I know why they are
called Humbugs), and will have killed the other one a couple days
later. Damsels all looked healthy otherwise,
eating/swimming, so I'm pretty sure they died due to bullying
(and I observed the relentless bullying). As for the
Coral Beauty, I figured that 3mo would have been long enough in the
QT for the parasites to die and not worry about transmitting it to
these new fish, but in the future I will break down this tank, to
eliminate the possibility of Ich transmission. My wife
wants the top of her dresser back anyway, so everyone is
happy. As soon as I noticed the Ich spots develop, I
began to treat with copper. I'm pretty sure it was
chelated copper (the kind that stays in the water longer), <If
not the fishes would be dead at this concentration> but the
package was silent on this fact. I raised the copper
level to 1.5ppm, and the Coral Beauty's condition worsened
slightly over the next couple days. <Centropyge are more
sensitive to copper exposure...> I bumped it up to
2.0 for a week or so, and the Ich went completely away in about a
week. Oh, I should also mention that I added a
week's worth of Maracyn-Two during that time, to eliminate the
possibility of any secondary infection, based on some advice I
read. The Ich on the Coral Beauty went completely away in about a
week after bumping up the copper. I checked the copper
level about twice a day to verify it stayed at
2.0ppm. After a week of the high copper levels I
concluded (based on the advice on your site) that the Damsel
developed copper poisoning (began swimming around erratically, the
next day, swimming sideways a lot, sitting on the bottom of the
tank, breathing hard, died after about 3 days of
this). Having to choose between the Coral Beauty and the
Damsel, I chose to keep up the copper up to cure the Coral Beauty
(the Coral Beauty had /just/ began to be free from the Ich spots,
and I know I needed to keep up the levels another day or two, to be
sure she was cured). About 7-10 days after all the symptoms went
away, I added a new carbon filter and a couple days after that I
filled up the plastic refillable sleeves in the filter with new
carbon to get rid of the copper. As noted, I am doing a
water change tonight as well. However, after coming home
from out of town last night my wife said that she thought the Coral
Beauty was getting Ich again. It isn't, but here is
my question-finally. She was correct that something
changed: the pink pimple I mentioned earlier now looks
just like an acne pimple that "popped". The
pimple had begun to shrink since the Ich was gone (now about 1/8
inch), and apparently over the weekend it
"popped". What my wife thought was the White
Spot of Ich is definitely some sort of substance coming OUT of the
pimple. Am I just overly paranoid here? I
have read a couple articles were you guys wrote that sometimes fish
just get pimple-type things and it's nothing to sweat. Should I
cut the pizza and chocolate out of the Coral Beauty's
diet? (Heh, Heh, just kidding) <Mmm> I have
searched and searched, is this something I should be concerned
about? It is otherwise normal, eats everything I put in the
tank (she prefers anchovy pizza), and has cleaned off
all the algae on the back of the tank, likes hiding out in the
rocks, and seems happy. In searching the site, I thought
/maybe/ it was Lymphocystis, or a tumor (that's the other
reason I was bumping up the Iodine so much). I'm not
sure it's Lymphocystis though. It seems that Lymphocystis
usually attacks the ENDS of the fins, rather than the base of the
fin. Moreover, the white spot/puss, doesn't look
like cauliflower (though frankly this isn't a helpful
description, b/c if I ever let a growth on one of my fish get to
the size that I could identify its shape as something other than a
spot, I should not be keeping marine fish). I guess when I saw the
white puss/spot at the tip of the pimple, I thought this was good
as if it is popping, but I really have no idea of knowing without
you guys' (and gals') help...what do you think? <This
spot is/was likely "nothing" catching... a pimple is a
good analogy> Should I get a cleaner shrimp for the QT? <You
could> I think I read that the Lysmata are not reef safe, so I
couldn't throw them in the display tank later,
right? What about the Periclimenes, or Stenopus? <Not
my other choices here, no> There is a Peppermint shrimp in there
right now too. Any other advice? <Learn to
treat/dip and quarantine all new livestock... investigate before
you buy...> It molts about 2x a month, and had babies in the
display tank. When does the quarantine clock
"start" now? When the pimple goes away, or
when the symptoms of the Ich were not visible? <Not following
you here.> Finally, have you guys ever heard of "Quick
Cure"? It purports to cure
Lymphocystis. ( http://www.petguys.com/pet-guys/-042781008000.html). Seems
surprising to me that there is a "cure" if it is a viral
disease... Man, so many quacks out there... <There is
no cure for Lymph... viral in origin. This material is formalin (a
biocide) and malachite green... Covered on WWM> Thanks in
advance, you guys (and gals) rule. Russ, Columbus, Ohio <Apply
yourself Russ... you'll do fine. Bob Fenner> |
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Coral Beauty swimming
like a seahorse? 8/21/05 I have a 46 gallon tank. We have 2
clownfish, several snails & hermit crabs, a Condylactis anemone,
and a coral beauty. The coral beauty is swimming like a seahorse. Head
up, tail down. He has been doing that ever since we moved him into the
main tank 3 days ago. <Ohhh> He was doing well in the QT,
swimming, not eating real well. He mostly hid in the QT. I have tested
the water quality and it is great Ammonia 0 nitrite 0, nitrate 10ppm,
Ph 8.3, temp 78, salinity 1.022. The clowns are great eating everything
in sight but the Coral Beauty is not eating at all and then the funny
swimming. We have tried frozen brine shrimp, Marine cuisine, emerald
entree, seaweed, and the angel mix. Nothing is working. What can be
causing him to swim this way? Any suggestions on how to get him to eat?
<Mmm, could be a few things re the swimming, non-eating... most
likely damage (gas bladder most commonly, by needling for decompression
post-capture) in the process of collection, transport... Or a sting...
from the Condylactis?> He looks tired and his gills are starting to
look a little white or pale. What can we do to help this fish? Thank
you for any help, Jeri <Mmm, really only improving water quality,
hope... Do you have live rock? The organisms found in/on this are often
about all Centropyge angels do initially feed on... and the LR would
help to improve water quality... Bob Fenner>
Re: Coral Beauty swimming like a seahorse? 8/22/05 We do not
have any live rock. We are talking about finding a reputable place here
in Denver to get fully cured live rock and/or sand. With live sand how
much should be put on the bottom of a 46 gallon tank? <Ahh, I would
definitely be adding the best you can, soon> Back to the coral
beauty. If he was stung by the anemone, how long would the effect last?
Is there a way to force feed him? <Not easy to force feed... stings
can last days, weeks> I noticed he has one white spot on his right
side. It looks to be one large grain of salt embedded in his skin. He
also seems to have scraped his neck/back area. His spikes look a little
gray and are frayed a bit in that area. We have been watching the
clowns closely and they are doing great. They are eating everything in
sight, and look very healthy. <All markings are stress-related>
The store had the Coral Beauty for 3 weeks swimming and eating fine, we
had in QT for 2 weeks and it was swimming fine, mostly hiding, but not
eating real well. We moved him to the main tank when our QT spiked
ammonia and water changes were not helping it. We thought it would be
better for the fish to be in better water conditions. <Mmm, on to
that LR. Bob Fenner>
Re: Coral Beauty needs help 8/26/05 Spot is on left
side and now left gill not working. He is spending a lot of time at the
top of the tank, We did a 10% water change tonight to keep water
optimum. Nitrates still showing about 10 -20ppm. So we will keep
working on that. What can I do to help this fish? <Please read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/dwfangdisfaqs.htm and the linked
files above. Bob Fenner>
Coral Beauty Problems Hello Bob: <James, today> Thank
you so much, your website has been extremely helpful for me in the
past. Unfortunately I have a huge problem with Coral Beauties. I've
purchased 4 so far, yes 4. I've finally managed to get one
that's healthy and has been successfully introduced to my display
tank. However, the third one I purchased is not doing so well, he's
still alive and in quarantine. To make a long story short the first
three fish had apparently the same problem...white fungus on the lips
and pectoral fins, also they have a strange swim, almost a vertical
waddle with the nose pointing up (the quarantined fish has successfully
battled off the Ich and white fungus. The water quality is as good as
it could be, I've never had any problems with any other fish. Right
now I'm trying to force feed him as he hasn't eaten since I
bought him on May 20th. He's not bobbing for air at all. Not
pecking at the rocks. I have no idea nor does my LFS about what the
problem could be. The owner of the LFS and I have become pretty good
friends and he's been extremely helpful and not the type to try to
make a sale at all costs. I really want to get this coral beauty
healthy again and well although my tank finally has one, my roommate
will be more the willing to adopt him. Any thoughts or suggestions you
may have will be great. <Ross, I have a few
questions. First, how large is the quarantine tank, any
medication in the QT, and, what is the salinity? Also, how
were the Coral Beauties acclimated? James (Salty Dog)>
Thanks, Ross Hutchings
Re: Coral Beauty Problems Hi James: The Salinity is 1.022.
The quarantine tank is only a 10 gallon. <If you had all four Coral
Beauties in QT at the same time, that could lead to ammonia
poisoning. If so, did you monitor ammonia levels?>I was
treating him with MelaFix for a week but since then I've done a 30%
water change. <I like Maracyn myself. Might want to try that
product.> The way I've been doing the acclimations
may be crude I'm not sure, but what I've been doing is floating
them for a hour, then adding 1/2 cup of tank water every 20 min to a
half an hour there after. I then introduce them into the tank after
about 2 to 2 and a half hours. <The drip method much more preferred,
shortens the acclimation time and offers a much more gradual
acclimation to the new water. Do a WWM search on acclimation
for more info.> My other levels are: PH 8.2, Nitrite 0, Nitrate 0,
Ammonia 0. Also, should I continue with the force feedings? <I
wouldn't. I would put a vitamin supplement in the water such as
Selcon.> Thanks for your help. <You're
welcome. James (Salty Dog)> Ross
Re: Coral Beauty Problems Hello again James: No, the Coral
Beauties were all in succession and were always the only fish in the
QT. I've read about the drip method before and will certainly give
it a try. I'm going to see if I can find some Selcon, there are
only 4 LFS's in this area, Tropical & Marine Pets (which is my
LFS of choice), Pets Unlimited, Pet City, and a new privately owned
store that I can't remember it's name at the moment. Thanks for
the help. <You're welcome. I get mine from Drs.
Foster & Smith. Been dealing with them for 15 years with
no problems. James (Salty Dog)>
Flame with cloudy eyes Hi-<Hi Wes, MacL here with you
today> I am glad you guys are here to help! I looked on
the site, and did not find a direct answer to my problem. I
have a yellow tang, flame angel and clown fish in my 75g
tank. Everyone was happy for a couple months, then Ich
started to appear. I began treatment with Rid Ich, vacuuming the gravel
daily. Fish still ate and functioned normally during this
time. At the beginning of the treatment, I gave all three a
fresh water dip (each in their own prepared water) which gave some
relief. <Good to hear> When catching the flame angel for this
dip, I was using a net to guide her into a container. She darted into
the net, and was stuck in it for about 20 seconds, head first. I was
able to loose her from the net without any force on my
part. After this, her eyes seemed cloudy - I don't know
if this is a result of the net scratching them or something else.
<It could be the net or could be the effect of the parasites or even
possibly the left over bacterial infection.> I thought this would go
away, as it did not seem to affect her in any way. Over the
last few days, sometimes it seems it is improving, sometimes getting
worse. Her behavior has remained normal, as though nothing
is wrong. When I fed this morning, it was as though she
could not see the food clearly, and thus missed it. <She probably
can't see clearly. I really would suggest some type of hospital
tank and a course of antibiotics treatment. If she starts to show signs
of Popeye you can use Epsom salts to give her some relief in that way
as well.> Upon feeding tonight, she was able to eat some, but still
seemed as though her vision is hazy. The Ich has improved a lot, the
tang has no signs, the angel a very small amount left, as well as the
clown. I have been treating for 6 days. Also,
over the last 6 days I have slowly lowered the salinity to
1.017. All other conditions are just
right. Please let me know what I should do to correct this
problem! Also, I have noticed that sometimes it looks as
though my tang is showing signs of aggression to its reflection in the
glass - is this something to worry about? <You don't mention the
tank size? Does he have lots of swimming room?> Thanks in
advance for your
help. Wes.
Coral Beauty and
dropsy Whitney Alan Gray wrote: >Hello all, <Hi, MikeD
here> > Long time reader, first time
writer here today. My question >concerns a Coral Beauty
with what I believe to be Dropsy. No other livestock
appear to be affected. I have a 1.5 year old 46 Gal tank
>with 50 lbs of live rock, a Hot Magnum, Magnum 350, asst
powerheads, a >sea clone skimmer, a UV Sterilizer, and a 288W PC
fixture. As far as >stocking goes, I've got a yellow
tang, a coral beauty, a lawnmower >blenny, an ocellaris clown, a
royal Gramma and a Niger trigger.<Here's part of your problem,
with the tank being severely overcrowded, usually a major precursor for
problems such as yours> I also >have a feather duster
and a Condylactis anemone. Water parameters are >fine,
with nitrates being at about 20ppm.
> The story with the coral beauty
goes as follows: About a week >ago, I noticed a small
white speck of what appeared to be fungus on the >coral beauty's
side, and a small slit in it's caudal fin. After
>several days, the slit had gotten larger, and the fungus was now
the >size of a large grain of salt. With this, I decided
to medicate (day1) >using Melafix and PimaFix.<These are
primarily additives for recent injuries and not true medications, a
waste of time as well in cases such as yours.> I turned
off my protein skimmer at this >time. Two days later (day
3) I had noticed no improvement in the fin >or fungus,
and noticed that one side of its body was swollen, with >protruding
scales. At this point, I was still running three week old
>carbon in the HOT magnum, so I removed the Carbon, continued using
Mela >and PimaFix, and started using Maracyn two.<My suggestion
here would be to run both Maracyn and Maracyn II to cover any
eventuality as far as gram positive and negative
bacteria> Today (day5), the coral >beauty
is still very swollen, and its mouth appears to be very
red. It >is also breathing very heavily (no redness of
gills that I can see) and >the speck and slit in tail are still
present. I figured the combo of >meds I was using would
have knocked out the small speck of fungus I >saw, but
after about four days and no progress, I decided to cut the >magnum
350 (which still had filter media that may be adsorbing the
>meds.) I still left the HOT magnum and powerheads
running. Within two >hours of cutting the Magnum 350 and
dosing the meds, the water was >cloudy, and my yellow tang was also
breathing heavily. I looked >around, and found my coral
beauty near death, on its side at the bottom >of the
tank. I immediately cut the lights, turned on the skimmer
and >magnum 350, and re-instated carbon into the HOT
magnum. Two hours >later, the coral beauty is swimming
around fine (except for the swollen >body, labored breathing, etc-
but hey, its not dead!) Several other
>observations: my UV sterilizer has been on the whole
time<this is a piece of equipment that often to usually is NOT what
people think it is>, no other >fish are affected, the coral
beauty swims around fine, doesn't hide, >and eats
fine. Lately (before speck appeared), the anemone has been
>moving around, spewing brown stuff (I thought/think its poop
though), >and randomly deflating. Since I've turned
the skimmer back on, it >hasn't really removed anything from the
water, despite being turned off >for 5 days. I also
don't think the swelling occurred until I dosed >with
Mela/PimaFix either. The left side of my fish looks like a
>pinecone, and it appeared almost overnight. Do you think
the >Mela/PimaFix could have caused this (the dropsy)?<Caused it,
no, but it certainly didn't help and lulled you into wasting
valuable time during which you could have been using the correct
regimen of antibiotics> Do you think it is
>dropsy?<Actually, it sounds like a bacterial infection
aggravated by overcrowding and probably improper diet....remember,
dropsy is a symptom, not a disease.> I'm afraid to
medicate after what happened today. I know I >need to act
fast, but what should I do?<Again, since you have the Maracyn2,
I'd add Maracyn 1 but in a hospital or quarantine
tank.....you're extremely lucky that medicating your display tank
hasn't backfired and caused a total collapse of the
system> I thought the meds were >ineffective or being
adsorbed my some filter media in the magnum 350 >(like a phosphate
remover, and another substance by sea Chem (not >carbon
or Zeolite) that I cant think of the name of ... Purigen
>maybe?)<I'd be VERY cautious about all of these panaceas you
seem drawn to as they can do serious harm, particularly when used in
tandem and regularly. My basic advice in this area is
"if it ain't broke, don't fix it, and then fix ONLY what
IS broke!>so I shut it off and look what happened. I
thought the anemone >could have released some toxin into the water
(on some of its >tentacles, there appear to be constrictions, like
in a sausage), but if >that were the case, wouldn't all fish be
affected and wouldn't my >skimmer be going crazy?<Yes, it
would, but anemones don't release toxins into the water. What you
were seeing was what you thought it was, an anemone version of a bowel
movement. BTW I'd NEVER use products like you describe with
anemones in the tank> Sorry about the long e-mail, but I
wanted you >to know everything so you could give the best advice
possible. I've >never seen anything like this, what
should I do to save him?<No need for apologies...try the Maracyn 1
& 2 in a Q tank, improve the diet and you should have a good chance
at success.> >Thanks, >Whit
Bicolor Angelfish color loss Hi i am
Kenneth My son's Bicolor angelfish is losing color on the dark blue
part of it, it is turning a light blue is it anything I should worry
about? THANK YOU <Possibly... are your other livestock
"okay"? It may be that this animal is deficient in some
aspects of nutrition (lots of live rock is a standard item here), or
that some aspect/s of water quality are lacking... do you have
sufficient skimming, regular water changing? Could be "just a sign
of age"... as the blue does diminish in the wild with growth/size.
Bob Fenner>
Re: Bicolor Angelfish color loss Thank you
Bob for your help i will add liverock and check water quality. <Real
good. Please do keep me posted. Bob Fenner>
Fish Disease (?) Greetings! <Salutem
dicit> Sorry to bug you with so many questions lately but I
can't find the right answers using search (and I have spent a
long time doing that). What are these spots on my Coral Beauty?
They are two white spots on his tail and rear dorsal
fin. They are not raised but look more like
discoloration. <Might be just that... possibly an
internal or subdermal parasite... not likely much that I'd do
to "treat" this> The one on his rear dorsal also
appears on the other side. He is eating fine and not
scratching but he is visiting the cleaner shrimp
often. Picture attached (sorry for poor quality but best
I could do). Thanks again for all your help. -Ray <I'd just
"wait and see" unless other symptoms become apparent. Bob
Fenner> |
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re: Coral beauty dwarf angel Thank you sooo much for
the super fast reply. I did the 3 day treatment and
then the one day treatment per LFS recommendation (they were
thinking more preventative rather than curative I think....or
they were just clueless). <... not worth the wear and tear of
a three day treatment... I don't know what was trying to be
accomplished... unless the animal was treated and then moved to
an uninfested system... two weeks is necessary. Please invest
your time in reading through the marine parasitic disease
sections archived on www.WetWebMedia.com> By biological
cleaner do you mean a cleaner shrimp? If not, what?
Thanks again <Yes, either cleaner shrimp and/or Gobiosoma
gobies. Bob Fenner>
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Coral beauty dwarf angel Thanks for the
reply. I know you guys are busy but much has happened in
the last few days and I really don't know where to go from
here. Sunday evening, I took the Coral Beauty out of the
main tank and put him into my new 10 gal QT tank (dog broke last
one). It has a small hang-on filter on the back and I
put in an airstone for extra O2. I then treated it with
Rid Ich + (formaldehyde & malachite green) for 3 days doing a
25% water change every day before the next dose. I then
did a 50% change, put carbon back into the filter for 24 hrs and
then put in Clout for 24 hours. <... all sounded good until the
bit about interrupting the treatment with Rid Ich... why only three
days?> Today, I did a 50% change and put carbon
filter back in. Now, the conditions of the tank have
been fluctuating all week. Ammonia and pH
mainly. Ammonia has gotten up to .5 and pH has been
anywhere from 7.8 to 8.4! <Not good...> The fish
is now lethargic, swimming at the surface, breathing hard and very
pale. He also has not eaten in 2 days and he had a great
appetite before. The white spot on the back of his dorsal fin is
almost a complete hole in his fin. The one on his tail
now looks fuzzy and seems to be growing. His pectoral
fins also are degraded at the ends and have some very small white
threads coming off them. His eyes also have pale
splotches to them. <Could be from the treatment,
poor/vacillating water quality alone...> Is his rapid
degradation due to over aggressive treatment, fluctuating water
quality, disease or a combination of the three? <Oh,
yes> I was thinking of treating the tank tomorrow with Kanamycin
as the previous two treatments did not seem to work. <Wait,
wait! The previous treatments were not done to spec. And you've
stated poor water quality measurements...> Giving his current
health, I am weary to try another treatment that may stress him
even more. <Me too. At this point (and probably prior) it's
best to return the animal to the best circumstances, maybe try a
biological cleaner/s> I am at an ends for what to
do. It was even suggested to me to transfer my red skunk
cleaner shrimp to the QT tank to help clean parasites and dead
tissue off of him. I would rather do this than stress
him out more. Please help!!!!!!! -Ray <I would
return the Angel to the main/display tank... whatever the root
problem was/is, your further "treatments" will not
improve it (or your main tanks) condition. Bob Fenner> |
Re: Coral Beauty Angel Thanks again for the
help. He did spend 2-1/2 weeks in QT and was fine (dog
broke QT tank and had to move him before he ran out of water) and
then spent over a week in the main tank without
problem. They (and WWM) initially thought it was a viral
problem given his lack of other symptoms. I also gave
him a 5 min fresh water/formalin dip before putting him in the main
tank. Tried a dip before moving him back to QT but he
did no like it one bit so it was less than a minute.
Live and learn. The cleaner shrimp is acclimating as we
speak. I did another 50% water change with water from
the main tank just to be sure to dilute anything left in the QT
tank (and to make acclimation easier) before adding the
shrimp. For once, the pH's of both tanks actually
matched! Thanks again for all your help and the super fast
responses. I'll update you if there are any major
changes. -Ray <Real good. Thank you. Bob Fenner> |
Re: Coral Beauty... Mortuus est Bob, Thank you again
for all your help. Despite my best efforts, my poor
fishy died late this morning. When he died, his tail
fin was almost totally rotted away and the rear dorsal and anal
fins were likewise degraded. He was very pale and the
bottom of the tank was littered with his scales. I am
heartbroken that this once beautiful fish that I so enjoyed died
so horribly while under my care. He was only the
second fish I have ever lost, the first being a suicide (found
him on the floor behind the tank). My LFS thinks that this was
some sort of bacterial infection that took over when he got
stressed by the fluctuating water quality. Any input
on that? <Impossible to tell... but the brief
history you related over the Net points to a succession of
challenges in treatment, exposure to varying water quality...
Please read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/mardisease.htm
It will be of great worth to you to understand a/the "total
picture" in equations of health/disease...> I want to
learn from this so it does not happen again. Could my
QT setup have contributed to the dramatically fluctuating water
quality? <Yes> I have a 10-gal with heater and
a TopFin power filter 10 and an airstone added for extra
O2. I am thinking perhaps adding a small
powerhead? I do not have a sump to keep a sponge
filter in for immediate bio filtration. <The sponge filter
would be of more use than a powerhead> The closest
I have is my Whisper 3 on my display tank. The good news is that
all other members of my display tank appear totally healthy and
showing so signs of stress at all so, whatever killed my fish,
was limited to him. Thanks again for your help and providing
those like me with a wonderful source of information. -Ray
<Peace, life to you my friend. Bob Fenner>
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Coral Beauty Sick. Hey Bob <<Hi Javier>> I have a
50 gallon saltwater tank running for over a year now and have not had
any problems after a rough start. The tank has now stabilized and have
not lost any fish in 9 months. The levels are good and I do bi-weekly
water changes, keeping the temp @ 81 degrees and salinity at 1.020. I
have 70 lbs of live rock and sand, a canister filter and protein
skimmer. <<What are the test results, this might
help.>> The my stock consist of a yellow tang, a maroon clown, a
coral beauty and some small fish (Chromis/Firefish). I feed them brine
shrimp (frozen & live), formula 2 flakes, Wardley's marine
flake food, Sera iodine enriched granulated food and Nutrafin Max food
to keep their diet varied. About two days ago I noticed that my Coral
Beauty was acting kinda strange just hovering near the LR without much
movement. (Very unlike him). But I went about my routine of feeding
them. Normally at feeding time all the fish dart around and head up to
the surface and a frenzy takes place once I drop the food in.
Everything went as expected except for the Coral Beauty. He did seem to
be interested in going after the food, but once near it he just went
for it, looked at it and just swam away. Later that night I
noticed him in the bottom right of the tank under some rock covering
just chilling. (Having a private party). Having my tank for awhile I
know each of my fish's behavior at feeding time, at night, w/light
on or off, when frightened, during a territory dispute. and where each
turns in for the night. Yesterday he was in the same spot at the bottom
right of the tank under the LR covering pointing up and tail down. He
looks like he has some white film forming on his mouth/lips? A fungus
or bacteria? <<Likely bacteria, but could be fungus. Please
see: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/infectio.htm>> Please help. I did
add some Melafix to the tank. Does this stuff really work, a waste of
money or bad idea? What is your recommendation? Setting up a hospital
tank for quarantine or let him ride it out and not stress him more?
Javier <<Melafix is likely not necessary or useful. These
problems are the result of poor water quality, nutrition, overall
environment. I suggest water changes, green herbivorous foods daily
(live rock with algae/microalgae is ideal). Please do follow and read
the link above and also go to the FAQ's. Best of luck, Craig>>
Re: Coral Beauty Sick. Thanks, <<You're always
welcome Javier.>> I'll check the water parameters again. I
did one a week ago and they were normal. None of the other fish seem to
be bothered or show signs of illness. I do a water change every two
weeks. How much of a water change to you recommend? (Currently 75 lbs
of LR & LS). So in volume I may have about 35 gallons?
<<Depends on load, type of inhabitants. You have quite a few fish
so likely somewhere in the 25-30% range, but this is dependent on many
factors, husbandry, feeding, etc. I would assume your volume to be 40
gal.>> On a separate note, I notice strange creature in my tank.
I have never seem it before in my tank and have not added any LR or LS
since my initial set-up, which was cured. It is the size and of a
quarter, flat and somewhat of a circular shape. It is black in color
and moves like a slug or snail with two small tentacles/feelers. In the
center of the body it has a small white slit, cat eye in look. Once I
hit the lights if moved to the dark under the live rock. <<Hard
to tell w/o a photo, and maybe not then either! Likely a snail,
Trochus, Nudibranch, or limpid. Try this:
http://www.tcnj.edu/~maughme2/faq.htm Yours, Craig>>
Coral Beauty Currently I have a Coral Beauty that I have
acquired about a week and a half ago. Two to three days
after, I noticed that the fish had Ich and so I had treated it with
something the fish store had recommended. Looks like the Ich
went away within a day or two after putting in the medication in the
tank. Now its eyes look kind of bulging and
cloudy. I'm still treating the tank for the Ich but what
would you recommend for the eyes? <It is probably a secondary
infection of some sort. When you have both eyes bulging and cloudy, it
is most likely the disease known as (no surprise here) Popeye. This
malady is usually caused by bacteria, and usually is indicative of
water conditions which need to be improved. This can also be brought on
by parasites, but is less likely. There is even the outside
possibility that the "treatment" has caused this problem- but
not likely. Treatment can be as simple as improving water quality in
the treatment tank (you are treating in a separate aquarium, right? If
not- you should be!), or, in many cases, treating with medication such
as Maracyn. I never advise the casual "dumping" of medication
into the tank-sometimes this does more harm than good! Do check the
FAQs on disease on the WetWebMedia.Com site and verify if the fish does
indeed have this disease, then take appropriate action. You should be
able to save this fish with prompt treatment. Good luck! Scott F.>
Is there something I can do to save the fish? Thanks, Mary Gonzalez
Help!!! Sick Bicolor Angel I came home today, to find my
Bicolor Angel lying on its side at the bottom of my QT tank... It
looked like he had some black spots around the gills. He had been
swimming and feeding yesterday. There were no signs of infection or
parasites. He was not eating much, but he was eating. The damsel that
lives in this tank is healthy. <hmmm... not symptomatic of anything
specifically pathogenic but this species is notoriously still drug
caught. If you bought it for under $30 in most big cities in the US
then it is a strong candidate for drug poisoning. Quality hand-caught Bicolor's from Fiji and elsewhere are significantly more expensive
than the cheap Jakarta and Philippine specimens. > I did a water
test last night. Ammonia and Nitrite 0.. PH 8.3... Nitrate 60 - 80 ppm.
I changed 2 gallons out of this 10 gallon tank while he was getting the
FW dip. I scooped him out and gave him a 6 - 7 minute FW dip. I
returned him to the QT.. He not lying on his side yet. What should I
do? Continue FW Dips? <hold off on the dips unless you see a
specific indication of parasites (scratching, spots, sloughing
possibly)> I looked closer, and his pectoral fins have a slight
dusting of white spots.. Great!!! Ich!! I guess, I need to use Formalin
II, along with the FW Dips. <Ok...fair enough... I agree
<smile>. That will be $50 for the service call...hehe> Please
let me know if there is anything else I should be doing... <singing
in the rain is always delightful if it is warm enough outside>
Thanks, Glenn <kindly, Anthony>
Re: Help!!! Sick Bicolor Angel Hi Anthony, Thanks for the
advice. Unfortunately, my Bicolor Angel did not improve. He became more
lethargic. His respiration was very high. I was sure he would not
survive the night, so I decided euthanasia was the only humane thing to
do.. I froze him.. <alas... I am sorry to hear about it> He had
been in my tank for almost two weeks.. He appeared healthy.
Unfortunately, he only cost me $25, so I guess he suffered cyanide
poisoning.. <it is certainly a strong possibility. Take a look
at the gill color as well... should be richly red/pink. If pale pink in
color... another indication of an unsound collecting technique> That
will be the last Bicolor I buy. <or let it serve as a reminder
that many such "difficult" fish are difficult because of
prevalent collecting or shipping practices. You may just need to
research and buy from a different source. Case in point... common Regal
Angels are all but "impossible" to keep alive. But aquarists
have found that the race called "orange throat" Regals from
the Maldives and Red Sea are quite able to live in captivity.
Unfortunately, they are much more expensive and generally need to be
special ordered. Many other such examples (Moorish Idols from Hawaii,
Coral Beauties from Fiji (mostly purple body... not orange dominant)).
Indeed, many subtleties to research or look out for> Not to
mention from now on, I'll research ya'lls site before buying
any new fish.. Thanks Again, Glenn <excellent... information is
power as they say. Anthony>
Another Cloudy Eyed Angel!! Bob, I lost a flame angel about 3
months ago when my return tube started putting out fine bubbles
and probably caused the flame to have an air embolism (a sudden
unexpected loss on night) <Yikes. A bummer for both of you> I
replaced him with another about 8 weeks ago and his eye got cloudy,
bulged and he developed a white blotched appearance on his face and
subsequently died. <Time to look into another source, or your source
in turn to look into theirs...> I replaced him with another
flame about a week ago. Everything was fine, he was eating OK and this
morning I noticed this one developing a cloudy bulging eye. I don't
see any white facial blotches yet. He's still eating for the time
being. I also have a very listless lemon peel that I put in the tank a
couple of months ago. No outward signs on this guy. I have two clowns a
small 2 1/2' wrasse, Longnose hawk, yellow tang, Kole Tang
and a hermit crab. Any ideas or suggestions? Nitrites are bit elevated,
very slightly. <Nitrites? Should be zero concentration> I have a
90Gallon Salt Fish only tank, Protein skimmer, UV, AMiracle Trickle
Filter, Ozonizer with a RedOx controller, s.g. of 1.022 and temperature
of 77 degrees. I bleached my Coral about a week ago and can't get
the RedOx above 260 at this point?? <Get rid of your wet-dry media,
if not the wet-dry itself (can use the "guts" as a sump
instead...). Many sources of possible trouble here. Please read over
this section: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/mardisease.htm of our
principal site, and on to where the links, FAQs lead you... Consider
the contributing causes that are potentially impacting, impinging on
your livestock's health, your success. We'll be chatting. Bob
Fenner> Lewis M. Kirschner
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Diversity, Selection & Care
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