FAQs about Elegance Coral Social Disease
FAQs on Elegance Coral Disease:
Elegance Coral Disease/Pests
1, Elegance Coral Health
2, Elegance Coral Health
3, Elegance Coral Health
4,
FAQs on Elegance Disease by Category:
Diagnosing,
Environmental (Pollution/Poisoning, Lighting...),
Nutritional, Trauma,
Pathogenic (Infectious, Parasitic, Viral)
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Treatments
Articles on: Coral Pests and Disease; pests,
predators, diseases and conditions by Sara Mavinkurve,
Catalaphyllia Coral, Caryophylliids, Large Polyp Stony
Corals
FAQs on Stony Coral Disease: Stony Coral Disease 1, Stony Coral Disease 2, Stony Coral Disease 3, Stony Coral Disease 4, Stony Coral Disease 5, Stony Coral Disease 6, Stony Coral Disease 7, Stony Coral Disease 8, Stony Coral Disease 9, Stony Coral Disease 10, Stony Coral Disease 11, Stony Coral Disease
12, Stony Coral Disease 13,
Stony Coral Disease 14,
Stony Coral Disease 15, Stony Coral
Disease ,
FAQs on Stony Coral Disease by Category: Diagnosing:
Environmental (Pollution/Poisoning, Lighting...),
Nutritional, Social (Allelopathy),
Trauma,
Pathogenic (Infectious, Parasitic, Viral)
Predatory/Pest,
Treatments
FAQs on Stony Coral Disease by Type: Brown Jelly Disease, RTN,
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Catalaphyllia are NOT social species. Do NOT get along
w/ other Cnidarian life.
Best kept in a species display dedicated to it as the
only "Coral"
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Elegance coral, dying in/comp.
11/18/18
My Elegance Coral died so I removed it and did a water change. Same
night I lost 80% of snails then 5 days later 2 clowns and a blenny
started to act funny then passed. Do you think the Elegance dying could
have created that or a chemical. (all crabs and shrimps not affected)
<Almost certainly it was caused by toxins released by your Elegance
coral dying; do a large water change,40-50% and use a Polyfilter pad
combined with a high grade activate carbon or ChemiPure, a couple of
days later try adding some "test" fishes like bluetail Damsels
(Chrysiptera sp). Please keep us posted on how it goes. Wil>
Info on Elegance Coral 11/17/12
Hi,
I hope you can help me out a little bit here. I just have a two question
for my Elegance Coral. 3 weeks back I bought a new Elegance coral, It
did well for first week then half of the coral went retracted for day or
two then inflated fully very nicely swaying tentacles stretched and
inflated.
<Typical behavior>
week two went fine like that then couple of days back coral went
retracted for two days again but it was inflating about 25% to its full
size every now and then . Now for past two days it is inflating but
50%~70% of its maximum, is this its normal behaviour.
<Better for it to eventually re-inflate to full size, but not abnormal>
Second Question: Today evening I noticed the Coral sprayed out some
white slimy / mucus particles from space between its skeleton and Flesh
(disc of Tentacles) , and I noticed My Yellow Tang ate that slimy mucus
thing, My Fairy Wrasse, and Yellow Tang slightly nipped on the coral as
well.....
Is my coral sick and what was that slime thing?
<Tissue... not good>
if Toxic why would Yellow Tang feast upon it?
<Not toxic; perceived as food>
, I have also added some Seachem Phytoplankton twice in this span of
time.
<For what purpose/s? Not a food...>
I have other corals that seem fine (Magnificent Anemone, Zoanthids,
Mushrooms, Trumpet, Finger Leather Coral, Toadstool Mushroom, Xenia,
Flowerpot, Frogspawn, Orange Sea Sponge)
<Mmm, well, these aren't all corals, and many are dangerously
allelopathogenic... Not compatible. Could be an/the issue w/
your Catalaphyllia. Umm, read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/cnidcompppt.htm
and the linked files above, till you grasp the gist...>
Fish: Pair of Clown Fish Normally Spawning every 3rd Week, 1-Yellow
Tang(small 2"), 1-Fairy Wrasse.
SG: 1.024 PH:8.2 KH:9 Ammonia:0, NO2: 0, NO3: 10, PO4:
0.025, Calc: 400, Mag:1200, Temp:81F lighting: MH 1x150w
1400K+ 2x20w T5 + 2x20w Actinic (Tank Size:40G +15G sump)
Thanks
Anees
<Uhh, and read here:
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/elegance.htm
and all the Related FAQs files linked above re this species. Bob
Fenner>
Elegance Coral health problem
8/5/11
Greetings WWM crew. And apologies in advance for sending out a
redundant question; I see many people have had a similar issue to
the one I'm going to describe, but I have yet to find an
answer that matches my quandary or offers recommendations that
I've not already tried.
<Hotay>
Over the last few days, my 2 month old
<I assume then that the other Cnidarians shown in your
tank/system image pre-date this introduction; including the
anemone in the left corner>
(since I purchased it) Aussie Elegance Coral won't
open fully. It's tentacles are partially inflated,
but it's oral disk remains closed and I haven't seen it
take food. My tank is a quite crowded but very
healthy 55 with an assortment of LPS, a few leathers, and
a couple of SPS. Specifications: 0 ammonia, nitrate and
nitrite, 8.2 ph, 11 alkalinity, 480 calcium, 1250 magnesium,
<Low in ratio to the CA, but not the issue here
principally>
a very slight trace of phosphates, and 1.026SG; 30 gallon
sump/refugium running 2 reactors (1 carbon, 1
Phosban);
<Perhaps this is a factor; nutrient deprivation...
Catalaphyllia live in nutrient rich mud... all chemoautotrophs
need measurable NO3, HPO4>>
T5 fixture with 3 actinic and 3 white; mediocre protein
skimmer
(Coralife, but I forget the specific type) . The specimen in
question is positioned in the lower right corner of the tank,
somewhat shaded from my lights by a Kenyan tree leather about
12" above. Also, low flow (gentle movement of EC's
tentacles), and no direct contact with any other corals.
The EC was opening beautifully daily (filling up the entire
corner), until about a week ago when I found a yellow knobby sea
cucumber affixed to its skeleton/base. This Cuke seemed to be
bothering the EC (as that it was only partially open), so after
48 hours of not moving away from the EC, I physically removed it.
The EC's position in the tank has not changed, but since the
encounter it has failed to fully open again. It starts the day
quite contracted, but usually, around the time the lights go out,
it's about 1/3 - 1/2 its former size; however, it never opens
to its previous, impressive self.
I ran into a similar problem with my previous attempt to house an
EC.
I chalked the last death up to a negligent tank-sitter who
no-showed for the week I was vacationing, along with the fact
that it was a frag from a questionable LFS and so had encountered
earlier stress. This recent EC was not fragged,
<Not good candidates>
and came from a more reputable LFS. Also, I feed a variety of
frozen and liquid foods, target feeding the EC with oyster
feast.
Iodine supplement of 2 drops 2-3x per week. Using Salinity salt
mix, along with RO/DI water. Not sure what else I can tell you,
but if there's any information I left out please let me know
and I'll quickly respond.
The only other odd thing going on in this tank is a pipe organ
coral that has not opened in roughly 2 weeks. And yes, that is
one huge LTA in the left corner that I have tried to box in to
keep it from fighting the pagoda cup above. The new, massive tank
is coming, but not until next July when I've completed my
relocation 2000 miles from my current address.
Thanks in advance for any advice you may share.
Eric
<This is a classic case of allelopathy. Read here: http://wetwebmedia.com/elegcorcompfaqs.htm
and here: http://wetwebmedia.com/CorlCompArt.htm
And write back if you have further questions, concerns. Bob
Fenner>
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Catalaphyllia at lower right
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Re: Elegance Coral health problem 8/5/11
Bob, thanks much for the reply. To clarify, both of the pictures
were taken
at the same time. Most of the other tank inhabitants/Cnidarians
were established well before (several months to one year) the
Elegance was introduced. As for fragged EC's: are you saying
that it's best to buy ones
that have been fragged, and that unfragged EC's are 'not
good candidates'?
<Sorry for the confusion. Mean/t that this species is not a
good candidate for dividing period. Doesn't take well to
breaking, cutting>
Finally, do you think the reason the pipe organ is remaining
closed is also due to allelopathy?
<More likely from a lack of (chemical) nutrition>
I run generous amounts of carbon to help with the fighting, but
keep the EC in a low flow, solitary corner where detritus tends
to accumulate. Plus my red Goniopora is thriving, and I thought
they liked nutrient rich water as well.
<Mmm, well, the best course of action would have been and is
now to remove the Catalaphyllia, slowly acclimate it per the link
you were referred to; daily mixing of some water twixt
systems>
I sure love the hobby, but every day brings another lesson to be
learned.
And I never thought these animals would grow as fast as they
have! A larger tank can't come soon enough.
<Agreed>
Best to you and your team,
Eric
<Welcome. BobF>
Re: Elegance Coral health problem
8/15/11
Greetings Bob
<Salutations Eric>
I wanted to provide an update on my elegance coral in hopes
that it might help others with a similar problem. As the
picture I've attached indicates, the EC has drastically
improved since I first contacted you.
<Ah good>
In order to help it out, I've done 2 ten gallon water
changes (using salinity salt mix) on my 55 system (with 30
gallon sump/refugium), added fresh black diamond carbon,
and most importantly (I think) started target feeding the
tank and EC specifically with reef nutrition Phyto-feast
and oyster-feast.
To clarify: for some reason, when I ran out of the
phyto-feast several weeks ago, I didn't bother to
replace it since I had a similar frozen food on hand. Some
corals in my tank started looking a little rough, but I had
decided it was because of allelopathy rather than diet (as
that my tank is crowded and I had a declining sea fan). I
eventually remembered the change in diet, and when I
started back up with the liquid phyto feast things began to
turn around. The elegance coral, which had stopped opening
fully and was in quick decline (I often hear people
worrying about similar problems, which seems to elude
remedy), perked up shortly thereafter and is now eating
silversides. Its oral disc opens fully during the day, its
polyps are completely extended, and it only closes
partially once lights go out.
<Yay!>
I don't know if it was one of these changes or all if
them in tandem that helped my EC to recover, but I thought
that sharing my positive experience might be helpful.
However, I should note that since regular water changes and
carbon use are standard for my set up, I'm inclined to
credit the return to phyto-feast as the most important
change.
Hoping the positive turn lasts,
Eric
<Thank you for this follow-up. BobF>
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Catalaphyllia jardinei Receding. Why?? :o(
/Catalaphyllia Health 11/11/10
Hey guys,
<Antonis>
Really devastated to right this msg :( My Catalaphyllia jardinei
was ok when I put it in a week ago but not any more. Here are
some pics I posted on UR for you to see:
http://www.ultimatereef.net/forums/showthread.php?t=426810
Any ideas?
I really love to save this beautiful coral but I honestly
don't know why..
<Start by reading/learning here and related articles/FAQs
found in the header.
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/elegance.htm>
Many thanks for your prompt reply guys..
<You're welcome. James (Salty Dog)>
Awaiting yours.
Antonis
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A bit too close to the Zoanthid on its left. RMF
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Re Catalaphyllia jardinei Receding. Why?? :o(
/Catalaphyllia Health 11/11/10 - 11/12/10
That's an old photo. Have moved the Catalaphyllia almost
20cm's fm the zoa's. Still not opening:(
<I've read where I referred you and there isn't too
much I can add to that other than the fact that they are
sensitive to many species of soft corals. Your substrate does not
appear to be to their liking as
they are found in soft sandy/muddy bottoms. Their tissue is
easily torn/punctured due to abrasion which can result from being
placed on coarse bottoms and/or among live rock. I suggest you
read again, especially the FAQs on Catalaphyllia health,
compatibility, and systems.
James (Salty Dog)><<Well-done/stated James,
B>>
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Elegance Coral - secreting white cotton like
substance... 11/12/07 Hi, Thank you
for maintaining a very informative site that provides extremely
useful information to beginner like me. I recently bought an
Elegance coral, I put it on the bottom of the tank as many of
your articles suggested, and I tried to place it as far away as
possible from the lighting. Since I put it in the tank, it
started secreting some white stuff from a few of its mouths. The
white stuff looks like cotton balls, pretty white in color (no
brown stuff so far) and dense, and occasionally white slimy
stuff. When I put the Elegance in the tank, my cleaner shrimp
checked it out. It was pretty detailed, <?> and it pushed
its claws into each of the mouths. I am not sure if it caused the
problem. I tried to search your site, I saw most problems were
related to brown stuff, but mine is white. The coral never fully
opens. Is it some kind of a disease? <How long have you had
this animal? What other livestock/cnidarians esp. are present?
What re your water quality? What have you tried feeding it?>
Should I dip it in SeaChem Coral Dip (the only medication I have
now)? <... no> I also have an Open Brain before the
Elegance. <Oh!> The Open Brain used to open very well.
<How far away is this colony?> From the day I have the
Elegance in the water, the Open Brain seems to open less as large
as previously, and it has been hiding its tentacles so far.
<Ah yes> Is the Elegance secreting some kind of chemical
that affects other corals? <Oh YES!> Thanks in advance for
your help! Simon <Look on WWM, the wider Net re mesenterial
filaments, sweeper tentacles... of Caryophylliids...
compatibility of Cnidarians... you have a battle going on here.
Bob Fenner>
Re: Elegance Coral - secreting white cotton
like substance... still not reading... 11/13/07 > Hi, >
Thank you for maintaining a very informative site that provides
extremely useful information to beginner like me. > I recently
bought an Elegance coral, I put it on the bottom of the tank as
many of your articles suggested, and I tried to place it as far
away as possible from the lighting. Since I put it in the tank,
it started secreting some white stuff from a few of its mouths.
The white stuff looks like cotton balls, pretty white in color
(no brown stuff so far) and dense, and occasionally white slimy
stuff. When I put the Elegance in the tank, my cleaner shrimp
checked it out. It was pretty detailed, > <?> [The
shrimp was all over it including the mouths. I would be very
happy if my clown does the same instead of the shrimp. <...
no... It would be consumed> The condition of the Elegance is
getting worse and it is completely closed, some tentacles are
being bitten off by the shrimp and I can see them floating in the
water! I can now see the white stuff between the skeleton and the
flesh. May be I have an aggressive cleaner shrimp. This is not
the first time, I have a frogspawn. <... ! You didn't
mention this...> Please forgive my ignorance if I got it
completely wrong. On the frogspawn, there is a small area like a
small volcano. There are some really small tentacles inside it
and they move in and out to drag food inside. The shrimp actually
pull the poor little thing out <?> and now I think it is
left with an empty shell, though the frogspawn seems to be ok.]
> and it pushed its claws into each of the mouths. > I am
not sure if it caused the problem. I tried to search your site, I
saw most problems were related to brown stuff, but mine is white.
> The coral never fully opens. Is it some kind of a disease?
> <How long have you had this animal? What other
livestock/cnidarians esp. are present? What re your water
quality? What have you tried feeding it?> [I only have it for
3 days. I have a clown, a cleaner shrimp, a frogspawn, a open
brain and a few snails. I also had a Sailfin until this morning!
<Killed by the stony coral interaction...> It was doing
very ok on the day I introduced the Elegance. It was very relax
searching for food, it was eating, and it was not shy at all. Its
condition suddenly went very bad, breathing very rapidly and then
died within hours. Could it be the chemical from the Elegance?
<Yes...> I also noticed the water get a bit foggy during
the past two days. The water parameters was perfect, Ammonia,
Nitrite, Nitrate, Ca, KH, pH are all at the recommended level for
reef the day before I have the Elegance. I can't imagine they
can change drastically within 3 days.] <Not the root cause
here. What is? Your jamming incompatible life...> > Should
I dip it in SeaChem Coral Dip (the only medication I have now)?
> <... no> > I also have an Open Brain before the
Elegance. > <Oh!> > The Open Brain used to open very
well. > <How far away is this colony?> [They are at
least 6 inches apart. I did not see any tentacles that can reach
that far.] <Euphylliids need to be placed a foot or more
apart... their sweeper tentacles can reach this far...
mesenterial filaments can break off, chemical allelopathy go
throughout the system...> > From the day I have the
Elegance in the water, the Open Brain seems to open less as large
as previously, and it has been hiding its tentacles so far. >
<Ah yes> > Is the Elegance secreting some kind of
chemical that affects other corals? > <Oh YES!> >
Thanks in advance for your help! > Simon > <Look on WWM,
the wider Net re mesenterial filaments, sweeper tentacles... of
Caryophylliids... compatibility of Cnidarians... you have a
battle going on here. Bob Fenner> [I can't deal with
chemical warfare in my Nano. I just move the Elegance to a QT and
I have to decide the next step. I am not even sure if it can
survive since it is completely close. Another lesson I guess!
Thanks.] <... too cavalier. Read here (don't write):
http://wetwebmedia.com/cnidcompppt.htm and the linked files
above. BobF>
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Decline of An Elegance Coral? 3/30/06 Scott, <Scott
here! Sorry for the delay in the reply.> Thank you very much for
your quick response. I was kind of wondering if the 20k
bulbs might be an issue, but if they do turn out to be then I may
slowly switch them out for 10k. I have actually been more
concerned about how deep the 175 watt bulbs will be able to penetrate
vs. 400 watt. What do you think? <They'll be fine for
most corals in a 24" deep tank, IMO.> One other quick question
about a Elegance coral I have. I also have a 46 gallon
bowfront tank with great water quality and everything else doing
spectacular but my Elegance. When I first got it for the
first couple of weeks it opened up nicely but since then over about a
months time it seems to be slowly shrinking and opening less and
less. It doesn't show any other signs of stress other
then it keeps getting smaller and opens less and less. For about a week
it would blow up like a balloon during the day, which I thought was a
little abnormal also. I did read that it is good to target
feed Elegance, which I wasn't doing for the first month and tried
to start doing a week ago but only seemed to worsen its
condition. Also, a friend of mine has beautiful large
Elegance that he never target feeds and is doing
wonderful. Any ideas or suggestions about what I could
do to hopefully improve it condition? Is it savable or it
slowly dying? Thanks again, your feedback very very helpful Jason
<Well, Jason, these corals really do benefit from directed feeding.
They are also susceptible to allelopathic "attacks" from
other corals in your system, so they are really best suited for a
monospecific display, as the only coral in residence. Feed them small
foods (less than 1/4" in size) and keep the water quality high. Do
make use of the vast resources here on WWM regarding the care of this
coral. Good luck! Regards, Scott F.>
Catalaphyllia EMERGENCY Hi Bob!! Just wanted to say a big
THANK YOU for the advice and the services you provide online. Its great
to see someone actually responding to emails coz I know a lot of
message boards and FAQ's don't! Big Thanks! My Catalaphyllia
elegance coral seemed to be doing okay lately. but One day all of a
sudden when I came home, it looked terrible!! All my water parameters
are good (except nitrates a little high but I'm working on that ~
20mg/l). I have been feeding it Mysis shrimp, probably not as much as I
should be .. last time I fed it was about 5 days ago. I've had the
coral for approx a month and a half now and it seemed to be doing okay
- It's had its ups and downs (when sometimes it didn't look as
good) but its never been as bad as this. << Is there anything
else you have changed recently? >> Here are some
pictures, I apologize for them being so big .. I'm not 100% sure
how to shrink them, u probably don't have to look through all of
them (about 10 pictures) but I've included one picture of it when
its looking healthy and 9 of it when its looking pretty bad. As you can
see, some patchy parts are swollen while other patchy parts of it are
all shriveled up. Some of the oral disks are swollen and almost
see-through. http://photos.yahoo.com/catalaphyllia/
Its a fairly new tank. Other tank inhabitants are 2 clown fish, a tri
colored damsel (not sure if that's what its called), a Radianthus
anemone, leather coral, brain coral, Goniopora sp and a torch and daisy
coral (I think that's what they're called - Euphyllias). Also,
the coral is from Australia. (I'm located in Sydney) would you have
any idea what could be the problem? I don't think its a lighting
issue although I think it would like it better with better lighting.
<< Please describe your lighting set up. >> But I have had
the coral for about 1 and a half months in the same conditions but its
never been this bad before. << It makes me think it wasn't
really thriving before, but just taking its time to get to this
point. I would recommend moving the coral in the
tank. Nothing to lose. Also, did you get it
straight from the ocean, or did it come from a friend or a
store. If the latter, I would be comparing your tank to what
the previous tank was like. >> Thanks Wallace << Sorry I
can't be of more help. Adam B. >>
Dear Bob, I'm having a problem with an elegance coral that I
purchased recently. It seems to have been raised in half of an old clam
shell or maybe it just grew that way, I don't know, but it's
approximately 7 inches across not counting the curves. It never did
open up fully when I placed it in the tank giving it plenty of room. We
bought it locally from a reputable dealer and didn't travel but 30
minutes to bring it home. After about a week in the bottom of the tank,
in moderate current and full light, a small portion of the animal at
the far end seems to be falling out of it's skeleton. The rest of
the animal stays pretty well withdrawn throughout the day and night
now. I've placed it back in the quarantine tank. What is going on
with this critter? We have a 125 gallon reef tank of R/O water with a
skimmer, metal halides with two blue actinics set up 8 inches off the
top of the tank with fans blowing through and a couple of power heads
at either end of the tank. We put 190 lbs of cured and encrusted
Marshall, Fiji and Tonga rock in it 6 weeks ago and never got a spike
and we were told by several trustworthy shop owners that we may never
get a spike. So we started stocking the tank. We have a Ritteri anemone
with 2 Percula clowns, 5 green and 2 blue Chromis, 2 rock anemones, 4
assorted small leather corals, one Tridacnid maxima, a small bubble
coral, a couple of open brains, 5 or 6 small mushroom corals, one red
tree sponge, some Zoanthids and a pulsing xenia, an assortment of
snails that I believe are getting stung by the anemones, a half dozen
small hermit crabs, and I've seen at least one bristle worm. I try
to keep the soft corals down stream from the hard corals. Temperature
gets up to 80 degrees during the day and cools to 76-78 at night. ph
fluctuates between 8.0 and 8.3. The calcium was staying right around
450 to 495 mg/l until the other evening when it dropped to about 345
mg/l. I have a drip of calcium hydroxide at night and dose with
Seachem's Marine Buffer every other day. Alkalinity has averaged at
3.5 to 4 meg/l over the last several weeks. Specific gravity is 1.025,
no ammonia, nitrites, nitrates or phosphates. Could it be that
this animal is splitting it's colony and do I need to provide some
sort of home for the orphan? Your prompt response is greatly
appreciated, Catherine Cyko >> Catherine, tomorrow I am going to
write and send you a draft (to review and edit if you don't mind)
re Catalaphyllia... this coral animal is a real heartbreak... not
suitable for most reef set-ups... You will soon realize that it's
natural history calls for being in horizontal settings (not vertical),
in mud, in high organic nutrient concentrations, with no other stinging
celled life about... I promise to send along my pending article on this
family Caryophylliidae genus... sorry to be so cynical, it's just
that so many of these Elegance Corals are lost due to... what? A lack
of disclosure? A general lack of understanding of their needs? Anyhow,
will send in a day or so. Bob Fenner, who says, in the meanwhile, if
you can, move the specimen to a dirty tank with vascular grasses, like
Turtle Grass (Thalassia) by itself... with high nitrates, phosphate...
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