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Calico Fancy Tailed Gold Fish, Lernaea,
more hlth. issues 11/24/09 Goldfish with White Pimple and Hard
Hair like White Spikes growing from Pimples... Lernaea7/14/07 Hi I
have a goldfish that looks like it has "pimples" that
eventually start growing a white "hair like" spike from the
"pimple". There were several around the tail and on the body.
Most of those are gone except for one over an eye and one on the side
of the fish. The goldfish is not rubbing or scratching on the aquarium
decorations. It is eating normally and swimming normally. I did have
another goldfish with the same whitish protrusions that died. <...
Lernaea...> I initially thought it was ICH and treated with Maracide
<...> without resolution. I also raised the temperature of the
tank. Then I decided to salt the aquarium after doing several water
changes. I am in the process of that now. I have added a total of 3
tablespoons of salt to the tank over 24 hours. <... not efficacious
either...> However, I did decide to see if I could pull the hair
like protrusion out of the goldfish and I did. The part outside the
body was fairly hard and thin with a wet squishy blob that was inside
the "pimple" part on the body of the fish. <Yes...> I
have read multiple sites and I am at a loss as to what this could be.
Am I overlooking something obvious. My thought now is the it might be
anchor worms. <Bingo!> I have been doing 15 - 25% water changes
every other day. My nitrates and nitrites test 0. <So?> My tank
is 10 gallons and has one goldfish and a Pleco. <Mis-placed here>
I have an under gravel filter that I just placed in the tank with new
rock about three weeks ago. So it is essentially a new setup and going
through the cycling. I had no choice as the tank had been in my
daughter's room and not cared for very well. Any help of advise is
greatly appreciated. <Please peruse here:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Lernaea&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8
You need to remove the adult "worms" (actually crustaceans)
manually, and treat the system with an organophosphate... Bob
Fenner> Help we got Lice! 7/23/06
Great page. Thank you for all the super information. I have 2 Oranda
both with what I think as Argulus. <No fun... and not
uncommon...> Introduced the second Oranda about a week ago, I think
he give the gift of Argulus to the other. <What a gift!> My
original Oranda has been with me for about 2 1/2 years. The Older one
is now covered, and all the other fish in the tank are attacking him.
<Yikes> Started dosage of prima fix and Melafix until I saw the
brown spots swim when I scraped one off. <Mmm...> Have just
treated tank with Copper Safe, <All inappropriate treatments thus
far...> and removed each fish and tired to scrape of the rest of the
living lice. Not to much luck with that. <Your fish will be
dead...> I am going to start an antifluke medication, which helped
to remove anchor worms about on the older one years ago. <Ahh, now
we're getting somewhere> Should I try salt, and how do I kill
the rest of those creepy ECTO'S, without killing the fish.
<Economic poisons... organophosphates... acetylcholinesterase
inhibitors... Either Dimilin or Masoten/Dylox/Neguvon... Please read
here: http://wetwebmedia.com/PondSubWebIndex/contrpdparasit.htm
and the linked FAQs file above> The older one has frayed his fins,
and the younger is taking advantage of the other. Help!!! Thanks, (the
other fish in the tank are two small Cory's and one plecostomus.
The Corys are also beating up the older sicker fish.) <Read on...
act soon... Look for commercial products containing DTHP in one of its
many generic-names. Bob Fenner> New goldfish, new goldfish owner - 2/11/2006 Hi all:
<Anne> I may be worried about nothing, but I'd rather be safe
than (very) sorry. On Sunday, February 4, we got our first two
goldfish. We have a 16-gallon (60-liter) BiOrb tank that we had run
with conditioned water for about 3 or 4 days before purchasing the
fish. <... needs to run a bit more than this before introducing
livestock...> About 6 hours after we released our new pets into the
tank, we noticed that the smaller one (Jojo) had a fish louse. <Good
observation> My fiancé removed the fish from the tank and
took off the louse, using tweezers. The next day, we purchased some
Clout from the fish store and, following the store's directions,
treated the tank. We did a partial water change and waited. Each time
we have tested the water (twice now), it's been theoretically
perfect. <Okay> We had been feeding them exclusively Mini Sticks
but read more about feeding them fresh veggies and so offered them a
spinach leaf (lightly cooked -- still mostly firm). They did bite at it
but didn't appear to have removed any visible pieces from the leaf
when we removed it. We then started feeding them peas (baby peas,
microwaved for 1 minute, shelled, and split into smaller pieces).
<Good> Jojo is missing some scales -- and had been since we
brought "her" home. Mojo, the larger one, appears to have
been healthy. We picked them both from the same tank in the fish store.
<Likely "just stress"... the new tank and Clout
exposure> We noticed that Jojo had not been pooping -- at least not
that we saw -- regularly, and when she did, it was thin and white. So
we treated with the clout again and did another partial water change,
this time adding a little aquarium salt. Today, February 10, I tried to
feed them some peas -- but they showed little interest. In fact,
although Mojo took a couple of pieces, Jojo took one but then spit it
out, showing no further interest in any pea pieces. They've always
preferred the Mini Sticks, so I did soak some of those in aquarium
water and put them in the tank. Both fish did go for the sticks, but
without their usual vim and vigor. Later, I noticed that their fins are
starting to be clamped -- specifically their top fin and their bottom
(not side) fins. This is more the case on Jojo than on Mojo, but both
are exhibiting this symptom. <Again, good observations,
reporting> In addition, as of yesterday, we noticed that Mojo's
right front fin is very frayed -- no white around the edges, but
"he" struggles to swim straight. The fish seem to get along
well, and we haven't seen them chasing or biting each other. In
fact, they spend most of the day together in what appears to be peace
and harmony. I called the fish store again this afternoon and spoke
both with the person who had recommended the Clout for the louse and
with the general manager. Because the water has been in good shape, and
the fish shouldn't be crowded (they are each approximately 2 inches
long -- probably a little smaller -- in a 16-gallon tank), the manager
suggested pulling them out to examine their gills for parasites. We
have not noticed any when watching the fish inside the tank, but we
will absolutely check them more closely this evening (we had to go back
to work). If we don't see anything, the manager wants us to take
them back to the store for evaluation. <Mmm, it is very common for
gold (and other fishes) to have considerable parasite fauna as a
consequence of being reared out of doors...> Long story short, is
there anything else we can do to help our poor fish? We have both grown
quite fond of them, and I'd be heartbroken if we lost one or both.
I am concerned that pulling them out of the tank and driving them 40
minutes to the fish store, and then 40 minutes home, will be too
stressful -- they've already had a challenging couple of weeks.
Would it be better, assuming we don't see any parasite signs, to
just wait and be patient? <Yes> This is the first time I've
owned fish, so although we've both done lots of reading, I'm
very worried that I'm going to do -- or not do -- something that
will cost them their lives. Please help. Thanks in advance. Anne <I
take it you have measured ammonia, nitrite... and these are
non-detectable... I might add a bit (a level teaspoon) of Epsom Salt
here... but otherwise leave the system and fish be. Bob Fenner>
Oranda anchor worm 7/5/05 hi, this is Brijesh from India. I had bought a pair of red cap Oranda and put them in my show tank without any quarantine. now all the fishes including the new ones have red spots or lesions on their fins and body. it looks like they are hurt and blood is around. on a close examination I found anchor worms which I removed but some of the red lesions did not have anchor worms. what's wrong? what treatment can I give them? pls help fast coz I am scared that my fish will die thanks <... may be a water quality situation... or some other parasite... Can't tell w/o microscopic examination. Do you have a sophisticated fish store near you that has such gear? Perhaps a "fish vet?". I would treat this water with DTHP (many names otherwise) or Dimilin... Please see here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/PondSubWebIndex/contrpdparasit.htm and the linked files above. If this doesn't cure the red lesions in a couple of weeks, I would consider a formalin bath... Bob Fenner> Fish Lice Killing Goldfish Hello All, I've been to your
website a few times in the past and have found it to be very helpful
when I'm lost and don't know what else to do. So I
am emailing you guys again in hopes of a cure for some goldfish that I
felt so sorry for and decided to volunteer in helping. I
personally have a 90 gallon African cichlid tank and doing very well
thanks to you guys. =o) My boyfriend's mother has a 150 gallon tank
full of dying goldfish. She HAD 20 of them. We
were visiting and I noticed 2 of them flopped to the side and dying and
a handful of others that were in hiding and was covered in mucus like
film and of course some fungus growing on them. I decided to
take action and do something about it. So the next day, I
came back with some tests to test the water and strange as it was, the
water quality checked out fine. The pH was 7.6, no ammonia
or nitrate detected, water temp was about 78. Confused as I
was, I decided to net out all the fish, since they all had some kind of
infection or was already dying. THEN I noticed a small thing
floating in the water that looked like a bug, it was pretty
gross. I took the net and tried to scoop it and noticed it
moving on the side of the bucket and then it attached itself to a
goldfish as it swam by. I took a closer look and some of the
fish had a few of them stuck to their fins. I did some
research on the net and discovered that it was fish lice or Argulus.
They looked gross to the naked eye but on the net, they had bigger
pictures and that's even worse! I've never dealt
with this kind of situation before and all the sites that I've
looked at said to manually remove them. Other places say to
use Dimilin but I guess that's hard to obtain. I feel so
bad because out of 20 goldfish, there's only 10 left and
they're still dying 1 by 1. Turns out that my bf's
little brother had purchased a handful of these goldfish from a lady
who had a pond. The others that were already in the tank were never
exposed to outdoor ponds. Would this have something to do with the
infestation of these parasites? < We always recommend that new fish
be quarantined before they are introduced to a new tank.> Is there
another method I can use besides with a tweezers and manually
"plucking" them off? < There are a few medications
like Fluke-Tabs and Clout that will work very well.>
That's sooooo gross and I really don't want to do that unless I
have no other alternatives. So here's what I did so far. I took
them home and put them in a 10 gallon bucket added lots of aeration and
1 tspn of salt. Sorry not sure if I should've added the salt or
not. Please let me know if I shouldn't. < It is pretty
ineffective against the lice.> I had them in there for 24 hours
before I did anything or added any medication. I also placed
a heater in there but haven't raised the temp yet....should I?
<No. Raising the temperature will only increase the metabolism of
the fish and stress them even more.> I went out and bought APPlus
Anti-Fluke drops. Next day, I changed 40% of the water and
didn't add any salt this time I waited a few hours and then added
the Anti-Fluke drops. It's been 48 hours now since I've added
the medication. Today I am going to change 50% of the
water. It got really cloudy. After the water
change, I plan to leave it for another 24 hours before adding more
medication. Can you tell me if I'm doing the right
thing? < Your efforts are better than nothing. You now have an
ammonia problem with the cloudy water and need to keep it under control
with water changes.. I've read so many sites and each tell me
different stuff and not sure if what I'm doing is helping, I'm
afraid that I'm not helping but instead killing them
slowly. Also, I've read about salt dips. Would this
treatment work better to have the parasites drop off rather than
manually removing them? < Removing them manually is not the way to
go.> If I were to do a salt dip, how much salt per
gallon? I've never done salt dips either and was
wondering do I do the dip in a small container holding a gallon of
water or what method should I use. I am so lost and
unfamiliar with all this stuff because I've never had my fish get
so sick. I guess I've been keeping my own cichlid tank
free of these things and am very good with the maintenance on it. I
wish my bf's family would do the same for theirs. Please
please please, any advice is much appreciated. I apologize
as I didn't think my email would be so long but I want to make sure
I let you know exactly what I did and what's going on. Well I guess
that's it for now, I will do my best to save these goldfish, even
though they're not mine. It'll be good for
experience if anything. Thanks to you all for all your help!
Sandy < I would treat the main tank for lice even though there
aren't any fish in there right now. Change the water in the bucket
every day and do not feed the fish until they are cured and do not add
any salt. Follow the directions on the package and make sure it says it
will treat lice. When the fish are placed in the main tank you need to
watch for ammonia spikes. The medication may have affected the good
bacteria needed to break down the fish waste. You may need to add
Bio-Spira to replenish the bacteria that has been lost due the
medication.-Chuck> Goldfish Help Please, She's "The Bee's Knees" (With "Graphics") Hi, I have a rather large goldfish in a 39 gallon bow front tank, double filters, flow type, hang on side. As well as bubble maker. Fresh water. No Fresh plants. Goldie used to eat them or dislodge them. She likes her tank her way.. {:-) First, She is a rescue from an outside pond that puppy discovered and made holes. {:-) She is a common feeder goldfish. I guess a comet. She is listless, Sitting in one spot in bottom. Fins tucked in. She isn't eating very much. Was fine two days ago. She looks to the naked eye, ok. However, I found these worms things clinging to the filter material in one of the filters. One of the worm things is segmented and black or dark brown about this long > --- < It was alive and moving. The other is like a bug looking thing. It has a head and a body about the same dark color. It is about this long > _ < I Feed pond pellets and flakes with dried shrimp pieces. No heater. Clean filters weekly and there is no top (do have multi spectrum light) on this tank so water evaporates and is added to almost daily. Use Tap water after sitting out for 24 hours. No odors coming from tank. She also poops, huge poops that are the length of tank, but in the last few days small thin poops. I don't know what else to add. She is about 6 years old maybe 7 years old. No problems till now. What are these filter animals? < Pond fish pick up all kinds of things from being outdoors. I would guess a plant leech and maybe a fish louse.> Do I need to and how do I get rid of them? < Fluke-tabs will get rid of both of them.> They don't cling to her. I don't see any injuries or strange marks on her. NO Ich or velvet.. Is tank too small ? < As long as the filter is moving at least three times the tank volume per hour and the nitrates don't exceed 25 ppm then it should be fine.> Should I put her back in pond.? < Sure if you want to but not while she is ill.> It has been refilled and more fish added and been healthy for several months. I am afraid to spread these worm - bug thingies and her problem.. I would be most grateful for any advice you could give. Please help me rescue Goldie one more time. She is the bee's knees in goldfish world. Bright and inquisitive and funny. She is alone in tank. I have a 65 gallon tank with 13 inch black shark (Blackie) 6 catfish and a Pleco and 2 silver dollars. No problems there. Thanks in advance and God bless, Jan < The bug things are easy to cure. I would only feed her enough food so that all of it is gone in two minutes once each day. If she has an internal bacterial infection and she begins to bloat then I would recommend a 30% water change while vacuuming the gravel. Clean the filter and treat with Metronidazole.-Chuck> Medicine Madness On/With Goldfish Hi! <Hello> I have four Black Moors that range from about 2" - 4" in a 20 gallon tank. <This is getting to be too crowded> I have recently bought a much larger tank because I was told this one was too small (I haven't put them in the new tank yet.) Some time ago one of my fish got Ich along with a fuzzy white patch on its tail identical on both sides. I treated it with fungal and Ich medicines and it cleared up completely. About two weeks after this I noticed that the same fish had a milky colouring to her one eye and she started to swim on an angle. <Likely from the medications> The same angle as her "infected" eye. All stores were closed at this point and by the next day the other three fish were swimming on the same exact angle with a slight milky colour in their eyes as well. I spoke with someone at a fish store (They deal only in fish.) they recommended Mardel Maracyn (For Tail Rot, Popeye and "Body Fungus") I followed the directions exactly and they have improved very slightly. Not enough in my opinion that I should keep using it. I am now using Life-Bearer (Eliminates Gill Flukes, Fish Lice and Anchor Worms) the person at the store knows that my fish don't suffer from any of the symptoms that are labeled on the box (Stops shaking and rubbing of fish) but said this will clear their cloudy eyes and that it won't harm them. I do frequent water changes and have changed their diet as well. I even tried feeding them peas which they won't even go near. I should also mention that other than these symptoms all four fish are very active and LOVE to eat and are growing like crazy! From the very beginning I have taken out every book from the library, called vets, talked to people at the fish stores and still not much of an improvement or any real idea of what is going on. I don't know what else to do. If you could suggest something....anything I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks so much for your time. Krishenka and "The Fish" <In simple terms, you've poisoned your livestock. Please read here: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/gldfshdisease.htm and the many Linked Related FAQs above, and cease "treating" this tank. With luck, over time your fish will self-cure. Bob Fenner>
Anchor Worm? My son had two gorgeous goldfish and recently purchased another (huge) goldfish for his tank. All seemed well for months but then all three developed red spots. The larger fish spends most of the time now on the bottom near the filter tube; however, the other two seem to "feel" fine. They seem to act normally. Anyway, today when I went to look at them, the two smaller ones have white spikes growing out of them now with black tips. What is this and where did he go wrong? Can it be cured? We may not have much time. Thanks, Ruth H. Lancaster <<Hello. It is very important to do regular, partial water changes on goldfish tanks, generally once a week, if not more. What size is the tank, and how often are water changes being done? Please ensure good water quality, it really makes ALL the difference. That said, it sounds like an anchor worm problem. The red spots can be treated with water changes and Furan or Melafix (found at your LFS) but the anchor worm needs an anti-parasitic, Dimilin works well. Please treat the red spots first, since adding a medication to treat the anchor worm can irritate those spots and make them worse, so let the fish heal first, THEN add the Dimilin afterwards. It shouldn't take longer than a week with the Melafix, and then another four days with the Dimilin. Good luck. -Gwen>>
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